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Old 5th May 2008, 08:50
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teachers getting richer

I hear on the news 2nite the teachers here in Vic are now the highest pain in the whole land, congrats to you lot, you sure do deserve it putting up with unruley kids & you can't thump them ! Strong union obvioulsy.
Now there will be even more youngsters that where contemplating a career in aviation thinking hang on a mini I can get good coin for just staying on the ground, no recurrent checking to keep yr license, no anual medical, more holidays than you can poke a stick at & no W/E or night work. Yep teaching is the way to go for the youth of 2moro!




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Capt. Wally, may I join you on congratulating to teachers on their long overdue pay increases. Long overdue especially that a four year degree is required before one can practice. However, may I suggest caution with some of your observations. Teaching is NOT just a 9-5 job. More like an 8-6. There is more take-home work than one can imagine and few breaks during the day. Conferences with parents that think their children should receive better treatment/attention and other children etc.

I am not a teacher. I know many who are and from my point of view, teachers and nurses should be paid way more.

On the positive side, it is good news that those who are charged with spending as much time, if not more time than the parents are recognized for their efforts for the important jobs that they do.

To reinforce your comment about today's children. My two teen agers have absolutely no desire to learn how to fly or go into aviation. They have seen how the last eighteen years have treated their family. The disruption to the family, parents not being home for long periods etc. Funnily, they do want to become teachers.

A long winded way of agreeing with you I suppose.
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4 years? Is that all?

What ever happened to teachers doing 13 years in GA like everyone else?
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Personally, I'm glad it's sorted. Now, perhaps, my kid's teachers can go back to teaching them, rather than putting posters up about their woes & not focussing on educating them!

I have no qualms about them achieving parity with their colleagues, but I don't like to see school kids treated as a bargaining chip!
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Captain Wally as always a good post! The youngsters of today in my opinion have little or no drive. This maybe why the young ones seem to chose other professions. It is still a tough and expensive long hill to climb to become a pilot. You just have to open the jobs section in the paper to see several high paying jobs with little or no qualification (Secretary in the CBD 80K 9am-5pm and the list goes on). Don’t get me wrong I love flying and that is the only reason I pursued it as a career!! There wouldn’t be too many professions out there where you have to out lay 70/80K up front to get trained up!!!!

But I do agree.... good to see that the people who train/teach our young ones are getting paid what they are worth!!

Do what you love and money will follow ...... don’t think it works for aviation though!! Pity the youngsters don’t take this on board.
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As one of a more mature students at a High school (year 12, last year!!), I do observe how hard their job is, in terms of the effort that they put in, and putting up with a lot of **** from kids. Anyway these teachers are setting up the future, as they teach all of us.

I really admire teachers, and this payrise was due a LONG time ago
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I really admire teachers, and this payrise was die a LONG time ago
I'd be getting a second opinion if I was you!
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HA, I meant "due"
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They achieved this because they are a strong and united group.

You don't see one teacher moving to another school that is perceived as 'better' for reduced T&C than those already at that school.

We could learn something from these folks.
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Rather be a pilot any day than stuck being a teacher, lots of nice holidays, no shift work and weekends off but on the downside;

1. Stuck in a classroom full of rug rats,

2. Dealing with parents that think their child is gifted or a frigging genius,

3. Pushy parents,

4. Dopey parents,

5. Feral kids,

6. Principals that are only at the school to build their CV, or make themselves look good so they can move onto a better school,

7. Continually changing curriculum designed by some university lecturer that hasn't been in a classroom for years,

8. And when you have holidays so do your clients.

Rather go flying anyday.
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Well somebody has to do it I guess
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kalavo... would you consider K-12 "GA", then everyone other than teachers abandon the schooling industry?
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Do teachers still actually teach? From what I see around me the kids parents get lumbered with a huge book bill each year, (can't use elder sisters books from last year as "the syllabus has changed").
Child then gets given a piece of A4 with a series of references to the books on it, a title for a 'project' , a summary of all that the kids are required to discover and they are told to read the books and get the rest from Google! That is a hard days teaching, other times the kids are playing sports, (which is good!), or 'socialising' and if it happens to be their birthday then sod classes, they just wander around chatting to their mates and collecting presents! (All seen at a large secondary school near here).
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Buster and PAF,

Spare me. How do you expect them to be heard?

"Pretty please Mr Bean counter, I'd like a pay rise that at least keeps up with CPI? With cherries on top? If you don't give it to me, then I'll just keep on saying nasty things."

What've your kids lost? A week at most? Mine too. Guess that'll make it two weeks when I take them out for a weeks holiday later in the year.
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So, strike is the first & only option? Welcome back to the 70's folks!
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and what an outstanding job they do. ...
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Old 6th May 2008, 04:01
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Where is the money coming from?

Teachers well done!

The real question is where is the substantial amount of money coming from? Doesn't seem to matter who is in power these days as they can both be as devious as each other. I can be pretty sure that a well deserving project will be scrapped or put on hold because the funding for the payrise isn't available right now. After a few years the project will be scrapped because it will have "lost it's relevance" having been delayed for so long.

Please don't think I'm knocking the payrise but we will have to watch the government with sharp eyes to make sure they don't kill off a well needed service or product.
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Probably come from the military budget!
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Stationair8 what you have described sounds like any flight on Jet* or Virgin to the Gold Coast mate!
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15% huh!

We are about to start EBA negotiations - I guess that gives us a starting point!

Interesting times we have been living in. Low inflation and wage restraint - with a galloping cost of living and increasing interest rates.

I suspect a 15% wage increase will just go some way to getting disposable incomes back to where they were 5 years ago.

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