$99 to make sure I can talk good
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$99 to make sure I can talk good
Well they've come up with another way to hurt my credit card.
After paying for the last of my seven exams to get my ATPL licence I was very happy to walk out with the knowledge I would never have to give any more money to ASL.
I'm now informed that to be issued with the ATPL I need to go back to ASL and sit a 10 minute Level 6 language proficiency demonstration to make sure I can communicate in the English language to a standard that ICAO is happy with. I'll also get slugged $99 for the privilege. Of course this is in addition to paying CASA for the ATPL itself.
After paying for the last of my seven exams to get my ATPL licence I was very happy to walk out with the knowledge I would never have to give any more money to ASL.
I'm now informed that to be issued with the ATPL I need to go back to ASL and sit a 10 minute Level 6 language proficiency demonstration to make sure I can communicate in the English language to a standard that ICAO is happy with. I'll also get slugged $99 for the privilege. Of course this is in addition to paying CASA for the ATPL itself.
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Amazing & mind boggling a person has passed the ATPL subjects (the hardest in the land) probably via some form of tuition via the spoken word. You've spoken to whomever over the phone to organize those exams sittings & numerous other chat sessions for various other crap we have to deal with & now before you can go fly an airliner or a C172 you need to prove you can 'speak a good english'...........jesus H christ it's an insult to ones intell esspecially if you where born & bread in an english speaking country!
Wouldn't you just love to get hold of these rule makers in a room alone for just 5 mins!
Obvioulsy there has to be a english language test for those from outside where english isn't their native tongue but for an Aussie for Eg? F
K!!
If I get cancer with just 1 week to live it's gunna be hard to decide which building am gunna crash into to rid us of these idiotic rule makers!
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
CW
Wouldn't you just love to get hold of these rule makers in a room alone for just 5 mins!
Obvioulsy there has to be a english language test for those from outside where english isn't their native tongue but for an Aussie for Eg? F
K!!If I get cancer with just 1 week to live it's gunna be hard to decide which building am gunna crash into to rid us of these idiotic rule makers!
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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It is just CASA rubbish...... I can’t believe that they would go to such lengths to prove that Aussie can speech English.... like come on hello!!!!!
A mate of mine had to sit this "kindergarten test" to get his CPL just last week. They asked questions like:
What is your favorite aircraft???
What is your favorite airport and why???
Why are you interested in getting involved in aviation???
But if you have a listen to the radio calls at YSBK the overseas students should definitely have to sit this test before any license is issued!!
Just another revenue raising scheme!!!
A mate of mine had to sit this "kindergarten test" to get his CPL just last week. They asked questions like:
What is your favorite aircraft???
What is your favorite airport and why???
Why are you interested in getting involved in aviation???
But if you have a listen to the radio calls at YSBK the overseas students should definitely have to sit this test before any license is issued!!
Just another revenue raising scheme!!!
Last edited by airman1; 2nd May 2008 at 07:12. Reason: Spelling.... If i dont get it right the spelling police will be after me for sure!!
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I seem to recall this was forced upon all ICAO signatory countries. CASA's hands were well and truly tied on this one.
As for paying $99
. I think RACWA at Jandakot charge $80 per hour (pro rata).
As for paying $99
. I think RACWA at Jandakot charge $80 per hour (pro rata).
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esspecially if you where born & bread in an english speaking country!
You fail and will have to be re-tested - that'll be $99 thanks, I'll send you an invoice via PM
FTDK
Thet sounds like a Kiwi ikscent - thus us a Inglish tist ay.
$99 from you too thanks, 2-week cooling off period, privileges of licence not to be used until you pass test, etc.
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Yes it's an ICAO requirement.
In true international cooperation and mutual trust, the French DGAC is awarding all their nationals with a level 6 in English....
In true international cooperation and mutual trust, the French DGAC is awarding all their nationals with a level 6 in English....
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Not on my watch.....
Guys,
Read the CASA blurb....you only need it on your license if you are enguaged in International Flight Operations
Like "the man said", only get it if you need it. IFR renewal completed - reprint of license????...no way!!!
The proof of you qualification/priviliges is affixed in your log book via the CASA Delegate's Docket.
Keep your money in your pocket.
Read the CASA blurb....you only need it on your license if you are enguaged in International Flight Operations
Like "the man said", only get it if you need it. IFR renewal completed - reprint of license????...no way!!!
The proof of you qualification/priviliges is affixed in your log book via the CASA Delegate's Docket.
Keep your money in your pocket.
Last edited by FO Cokebottle; 2nd May 2008 at 08:38.
If you fail Level 6, then you may need to take another assessment to determine which level you do meet, if indeed you require English certification on your license.
And you only need certification if you intend to operate outside Australian airspace.
A minimum of Level 4 has been grandfathered to everyone who had an Australian licence issued before the 5th of March this year - and believe it or not, you've already proven to the ATO who issued your license, that under CAR 5.09, you meet the minimum level of English proficiency required to exercise your license within Australian airspace.
This also means that if you do not fly outside of Australia on an Australian licence, you will not need to do anything at all for this language testing requirement. Also, if you have a student licence, Special pilot's licence, or a certificate of validation from oveseas, you don't have to do anything in Australia.
The "Level Six" evaluators, of which ASL is one, and some but not all ATOs are also, are able to decide only whether or not the candidate meets the Level Six criteria. The advantage to being certified Level Six, is that it removes the requirement for recurrent testing over the years.
If you fail Level Six, you will need to be assessed by certain university-based Linguistics experts, to determine whether you meet Level Five, Level Four, or below. This will be sufficient to permit international operations, however you will be required to demonstrate your ability at regular intervals.
And you only need certification if you intend to operate outside Australian airspace.
A minimum of Level 4 has been grandfathered to everyone who had an Australian licence issued before the 5th of March this year - and believe it or not, you've already proven to the ATO who issued your license, that under CAR 5.09, you meet the minimum level of English proficiency required to exercise your license within Australian airspace.
This also means that if you do not fly outside of Australia on an Australian licence, you will not need to do anything at all for this language testing requirement. Also, if you have a student licence, Special pilot's licence, or a certificate of validation from oveseas, you don't have to do anything in Australia.
The "Level Six" evaluators, of which ASL is one, and some but not all ATOs are also, are able to decide only whether or not the candidate meets the Level Six criteria. The advantage to being certified Level Six, is that it removes the requirement for recurrent testing over the years.
If you fail Level Six, you will need to be assessed by certain university-based Linguistics experts, to determine whether you meet Level Five, Level Four, or below. This will be sufficient to permit international operations, however you will be required to demonstrate your ability at regular intervals.
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If only that were so.
I had some students who completed PPL test before the due date to need the english test. By the time CASA got around to processing the paperwork, the date had passed and the studes had to do the assesment before CASA would issue a PPL. If you already hold a licence and are only flying domestically you don't need it but if you upgrade your licence say from PPL to CPL then you do.
And IJ, RACWA are no longer doing it pro-rata, that was a lucky one-off. It's now $80 for the test however long it takes.
If only that were so.
I had some students who completed PPL test before the due date to need the english test. By the time CASA got around to processing the paperwork, the date had passed and the studes had to do the assesment before CASA would issue a PPL. If you already hold a licence and are only flying domestically you don't need it but if you upgrade your licence say from PPL to CPL then you do.
And IJ, RACWA are no longer doing it pro-rata, that was a lucky one-off. It's now $80 for the test however long it takes.
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If Australian authorities cannot sort out "Recognition of Prior Learning" for people who have completed at least 12 years of English education then someone is not doing their job.
Anyone know if any of the participating ICAO countries are providing the testing free of charge?
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so what is the purpose of the text on my licence that spells out
Flight radio operators licence? did i not have to have a solid grasp of the English language to achieve this?
Flight radio operators licence? did i not have to have a solid grasp of the English language to achieve this?
I seem to recall this was forced upon all ICAO signatory countries. CASA's hands were well and truly tied on this one.
This is all about political correctness, one needs only to listen to tower live streams and it becomes obvious in places like JFK that the culprits here are some of the asian pilots. Trouble is no country has the balls to say to an airline don't come back here until your pilots can speak english as required.
Question is, will it even be enforced.
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Oh yr astute there 'bendo' plz don't beat me master
.I was wondering when the spelling police would be out in force
I know you won't believe it but I spelt those few words like that diliberetly seeing as I often see some in here with their magnifing glass out
The word 'bread' was a clue with the word English in the same sentence, you know, steel bread, sent to Australia from England!........hmmmm me thinks I have lost all here.
I see many errors also in others posts here but hey I just chuckle.
I've flown (PF) internationally a few times even into China where the language is often changed on the radio when ATC speak to their own national airlines (China Eastern for Eg.). So I can't see the point in needing good english speaking skills for english native tongues when you have to listen out more carefully for yr own callsign amongst another toungue!
Now stay back after class Wally & get it right !
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.I was wondering when the spelling police would be out in forceI know you won't believe it but I spelt those few words like that diliberetly seeing as I often see some in here with their magnifing glass out
The word 'bread' was a clue with the word English in the same sentence, you know, steel bread, sent to Australia from England!........hmmmm me thinks I have lost all here.I see many errors also in others posts here but hey I just chuckle.
I've flown (PF) internationally a few times even into China where the language is often changed on the radio when ATC speak to their own national airlines (China Eastern for Eg.). So I can't see the point in needing good english speaking skills for english native tongues when you have to listen out more carefully for yr own callsign amongst another toungue!
Now stay back after class Wally & get it right !
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Anyone know if any of the participating ICAO countries are providing the testing free of charge?
Sorry, drifted from your question - yes, some do it for free, but just the the testing is, is up to each country to decide!
PS: the list of those countries who are 'compliant' already, or posted their plans are on this link:
http://www.icao.int/anb/fls/lp/lpcompliance1.cfm
USA & UK haven't !
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