What is the Award Wage?
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What is the Award Wage?
I'm in the job market atm have noticed lots of employers advertising above award wages. Can anyone give me info on what the award wage is for GA and/or Airline jobs in Oz?
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Ha ha, JK. Haven't got the numbers in front of me but check wageline. I think Single driver piston Day VFR you're looking at 35,000 p.a. but don't quote me.
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You'll find it here...
Pilot's (General Aviation) Award 1998 (updated Feb 2008)
...on the AFAP website. Of course, a member of the union would know that.... after all, it was the AFAP that negotiated it.
Wish they'd re-negotiate it
Here you go, have even done the maths for you:
SE Day VFR driver should get $33488 pa - add 1128 if you need NVFR and $4510 if you need a CIR.
Chieftain driver should get $42,209.
This is assuming the boss pays for everything - there are multiple allowances for meals, dud accommodation, uniforms, etc etc etc.
...on the AFAP website. Of course, a member of the union would know that.... after all, it was the AFAP that negotiated it.
Wish they'd re-negotiate it
Here you go, have even done the maths for you:
SE Day VFR driver should get $33488 pa - add 1128 if you need NVFR and $4510 if you need a CIR.
Chieftain driver should get $42,209.
This is assuming the boss pays for everything - there are multiple allowances for meals, dud accommodation, uniforms, etc etc etc.
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Well for a start, it may well result in a breach of the tax and superannuation laws.
The Tax office has a fairly set idea of what an "employee" is, and what a "contractor" is.
A contractor:
If you work more than 80% of your time with the one employer, if you don't supply your own aircraft, if you turn up to work when he says, and if you do his work his way and under his direct control, you are an employee.
If that is the case he MUST pay tax for you (deduct it from your wages) in the PAYG system and he MUST pay an extra 9% of your salary into superannuation.
Here's the first link I found when I Googled "Tax Law contractor": CONTRACTOR OR EMPLOYEE?
Here's another tool, this time from the ATO: Employee/contractor decision tool
If you're still confused, and if you're a member, ring the AFAP for some advice.
The Tax office has a fairly set idea of what an "employee" is, and what a "contractor" is.
A contractor:
If you work more than 80% of your time with the one employer, if you don't supply your own aircraft, if you turn up to work when he says, and if you do his work his way and under his direct control, you are an employee.
If that is the case he MUST pay tax for you (deduct it from your wages) in the PAYG system and he MUST pay an extra 9% of your salary into superannuation.
Here's the first link I found when I Googled "Tax Law contractor": CONTRACTOR OR EMPLOYEE?
Here's another tool, this time from the ATO: Employee/contractor decision tool
If you're still confused, and if you're a member, ring the AFAP for some advice.
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The way I view the "award wage" is that is is essentially the minimum wage. So why is it that damn near every aviation company in the country sees it as a "maximum wage"???? If you are an employer and are paying the award, then you are a TIGHTASS!!!! Get the damn gorse out of your pockets!!
I was thinking about it the other day, Say you're charging your clapped out old 210 at say, 500 an hour? (not sure on current average rates) and you pay your girls and boys of the sky 45-50 an hour, honestly now, how much difference would it make to kick the charter rate up to 540 an hour, and pay these poor souls 80 bucks an hour!! Let them go out and have some fun in the bars of the Northwest at the weekends instead of stacking supermarket shelves to pay the rent!! Might even slow your pilot drain a bit too!!!
Just a thought
I was thinking about it the other day, Say you're charging your clapped out old 210 at say, 500 an hour? (not sure on current average rates) and you pay your girls and boys of the sky 45-50 an hour, honestly now, how much difference would it make to kick the charter rate up to 540 an hour, and pay these poor souls 80 bucks an hour!! Let them go out and have some fun in the bars of the Northwest at the weekends instead of stacking supermarket shelves to pay the rent!! Might even slow your pilot drain a bit too!!!
Just a thought
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"If you are an employer and are paying the award, then you are a TIGHTASS!!!!"
"If you are an employer and are NOT paying the award, then you are a TIGHTASS!!!!"
"If you are an employee working for less than the relevant Award entitlements, you are a FOOL!!!!"
If you are competent to pass and obtain a CPL, one expects you should be intelligent and responsible for your own actions and decisions.
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Yeah well if you are paying less than the award then you should be dragged through court and/or taken out the back and shot. If you work for less than the award then perhaps just taken out the back and shot.
What im saying is, most other industries pay well above the minimum wage/award, so aviation, which is a relatively skilled sort of profession, should pay at least a bit above the award, not using it as a target!!
I know a few outfits who are so proud that they pay the award and have even been heard bragging about how well they pay their staff.
Ok this has given me an idea for a different, more relevant thread
What im saying is, most other industries pay well above the minimum wage/award, so aviation, which is a relatively skilled sort of profession, should pay at least a bit above the award, not using it as a target!!
I know a few outfits who are so proud that they pay the award and have even been heard bragging about how well they pay their staff.
Ok this has given me an idea for a different, more relevant thread
I totally agree - the minimum wage is precisely that - a minimum, not a target.
Just because an employer brags about paying above award does not necessarily make it true.
Just because an employer brags about paying above award does not necessarily make it true.
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It is quite interesting that this matter has not been bought up earlier, The way the market is today I find it very hard to believe that Pilots are willing to go on contracts of employment if it is below the minimum wage.
We are doing ourselves a grave misjustice for doing such a thing.
The demand that is Being placed for pilots in the indusrty you can just about set your own wage ( in particular Instuctors worht ther weight in gold).
This is the time for us to stand as one and make some blo*dy money, the operators are believe me, its about we do and are recognised for what we do.
In regards to Contracting as mentioned in earlier thread, it is illegal I know from first habd because I have challenged an employee about it and won.
ONCE AGAIN LETS STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS AND BE RECIOGNISED AS A PROFFESIONAL PILOTS NOT **** KICKER PILOTS LIVING ON A THREAD EACH WEEK.
We are doing ourselves a grave misjustice for doing such a thing.
The demand that is Being placed for pilots in the indusrty you can just about set your own wage ( in particular Instuctors worht ther weight in gold).
This is the time for us to stand as one and make some blo*dy money, the operators are believe me, its about we do and are recognised for what we do.
In regards to Contracting as mentioned in earlier thread, it is illegal I know from first habd because I have challenged an employee about it and won.
ONCE AGAIN LETS STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS AND BE RECIOGNISED AS A PROFFESIONAL PILOTS NOT **** KICKER PILOTS LIVING ON A THREAD EACH WEEK.
Who, working in GA, actually has an employment contract (or agreement, or something on paper) that defines the financial relationship between you and your employer?
Who, on the other hand, is working purely under a verbal agreement?
Purely anecdotally, it seems a large amount of GA companies are allergic to written agreements - I've had one operator tell me "Oh, we don't need employment contracts here", and and another say "We don't have them - we're pretty relaxed around here".
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"It is quite interesting that this matter has not been bought up earlier"
We gave up naming and shaming employers. Perhaps it's time we named and shamed pilots who accept employment on less than Award conditions???
"Who, working in GA, actually has an employment contract (or agreement, or something on paper) that defines the financial relationship between you and your employer?
Who, on the other hand, is working purely under a verbal agreement?"
Who, on the other hand, is working purely under a verbal agreement?"
You are either employed under an individual registered ITEA, a registered collective EBA, another legitimate form of registered industrial instrument, or the Award applies.
No employee in Australia is exempt, nor can they contract out of their legislated entitlements.
I am yet to see a legitimate circumstance where an individual pilot may be employed "on Contract" as a "sub contractor"!
Whilst I am open to suggestions, I do not believe it possibly under Australian law and in particular Australian tax law. Read Bendo's post above - he's spot on the money! I sincerely recommend you read of the current Workplace Relations Act 1996 and the Pilots (General Aviation) Award and if necessary, seek advice from the AFAP or Workplace Authority.
It intrigues me why an individual would study for one to two years, spending something in excess of $70,000 to obtain a CPL, whilst having no idea of his/her entitlements, not read the relevant industrial relations legislation and accept employment on little or no remuneration.
At least five or six who posted in this thread should have saved their $70,000 CPL cost - Maccas are paying $17 per hour, full time work, no training required!
Un-believable!!!
