Fast track to CPL in Australia
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Fast track to CPL in Australia
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I am assessing a number of options to get me to CPL/ATPL with the intention to fly for a regional airline in Australia
Available is an approved fast track training course to CP with multi engine, command instrument rating and 200 hours.
A leg up is given with an almost guarantee to the right hand seat of a Saab or Metroliner with a regional carrier
Time - 22 weeks
Cost? AUD91k about 88,000USD
Their idea is to study ATPL whilst an FO
Alternatively - same as above with multi crew license, ATPL, emergency procedures, CRM, same hours, same offer of employment - 52 weeks similar price
Any thoughts on fast track or in general
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I am assessing a number of options to get me to CPL/ATPL with the intention to fly for a regional airline in Australia
Available is an approved fast track training course to CP with multi engine, command instrument rating and 200 hours.
A leg up is given with an almost guarantee to the right hand seat of a Saab or Metroliner with a regional carrier
Time - 22 weeks
Cost? AUD91k about 88,000USD
Their idea is to study ATPL whilst an FO
Alternatively - same as above with multi crew license, ATPL, emergency procedures, CRM, same hours, same offer of employment - 52 weeks similar price
Any thoughts on fast track or in general
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No such thing as a fast track training course. The only ones that do it are the ADF. That still takes a couple of years and has about a 70% fail rate.
Anyone else trying to get people through in 22 weeks is just fanciful, negligent and just plain deceptive.
Stay away from the Rex type courses that promise much but deliver heart ache. I don’t even think the first Rex cadets have even flown yet!
Nothing worthwhile comes easy and there are no short cuts when it comes to training. That 90k and 22weeks will just blow out to 150-200k and 2 years. Then you will be stuck as an F/O for life. You certainly won’t have time to do your ATPLs while working.
Just go do it the traditional way. It will work out the cheapest, the quickest and the most rewarding. You might even be flying a jet in 3 years with a command a year or 2 after.
Doesn’t that sound better than being a Metro/Saab F/O for life on 40 odd k!
Anyone else trying to get people through in 22 weeks is just fanciful, negligent and just plain deceptive.
Stay away from the Rex type courses that promise much but deliver heart ache. I don’t even think the first Rex cadets have even flown yet!
Nothing worthwhile comes easy and there are no short cuts when it comes to training. That 90k and 22weeks will just blow out to 150-200k and 2 years. Then you will be stuck as an F/O for life. You certainly won’t have time to do your ATPLs while working.
Just go do it the traditional way. It will work out the cheapest, the quickest and the most rewarding. You might even be flying a jet in 3 years with a command a year or 2 after.
Doesn’t that sound better than being a Metro/Saab F/O for life on 40 odd k!
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ol mate chief wiggum, you`ve been eating too many doughnuts... i did the fast track course, got to cpl in about 4 months, did mecir after that and now fly Rpt as an F/o on turboprops, took all of 10 months to get to that point. There is such a thing, it`s not easy but it can be done, for those who are motivated. It`s an excellent way to get into the industry. 
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No such thing as a fast track training course
Hey Chief I suggest you do ur home work before you pass comments about things you know nothing about!!! Take a look
http://www.ftpilottraining.com/
You really need to move on from the wilbur wright method of training!!!
http://www.ftpilottraining.com/
You really need to move on from the wilbur wright method of training!!!
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I could find very little information about Fast Track Pilot Training other than the sales pitch. The information they supplied was... brief. There are a few folks on these forums who rave about them but that's not evidence enough for me to invest $90k.
Perhaps in the future they will have developed a reputation and more objective info will be out there, but for the moment they seem a bit of an enigma.
Perhaps in the future they will have developed a reputation and more objective info will be out there, but for the moment they seem a bit of an enigma.
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some people just dont know wat there talking about
Unfortunately in aviation there are alot of people who don't know wat there talking about and still think they know everything. Just because you dont know it doesnt mean its not true and just because u might not be able to do something doesnt mean others can't. I did the fast track course finished my cpl in 18 weeks have been on a turbo prop as an f/o for just over a year and am looking at a command within the next two months.
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oh and i just took 6 weeks of to go do my atpl exam's with nathan higgins with three of the easier ones to go which is definately possible to study for while working. Some people just dont believe in themselves enough or others for that matter
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I am currently doing the fast track course and am on target to finish my cpl in about 20 weeks. The course just makes very efficient use of time, I chose it because i wanted to get into the industry as quickly as possible. You have to be very motivated because as JustinC said it isn't easy but it's all worth it!
I am currently doing the fast track course and am on target to finish my cpl in about 20 weeks. The course just makes very efficient use of time, I chose it because i wanted to get into the industry as quickly as possible. You have to be very motivated because as JustinC said it isn't easy but it's all worth it!
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I did the fast track course finished my cpl in 18 weeks have been on a turbo prop as an f/o for just over a year and am looking at a command within the next two months.
You guys wouldn’t be working for Skippers by any chance?
It seems like a great way to skip the experience gaining process and jump straight into a low payed job as a glorified radio operator, but it ain’t. Apart from missing out on valuable experience for yourselves, the inexperience also increases the workload for the Captains you fly with.
Sorry xfsd, I wouldn’t recommend the 2nd scenario either. Mainly because there is no such thing as a MPL in Australia. I would go and find a reputable flying CLUB and go do your CPL and IR in one go. Then ATPLs with AFT.
With all that out of the way (probably for only 50-60k) go get you first PIC flying job. I would recommend up North. Work your ass off, stay safe and legal, don’t pay for any endorsements or ICUS, make life long friends and enjoy yourself. Soon you’ll be back flying lager types with the experience and confidence they require. You will reduce workload in the cockpit instead of increasing it and add to a more safe and efficient operation.
I’m not bitter, nor jealous. Just wanted to save some of you new guys some grief later on. I suppose you have to walk the path yourselves.
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I would recommend up North. Work your ass off,
xfsd that's exactly what you'll do - work ur ass off, not get paid much (if at all) and probably work in the office more than you'll fly.
The regionals are actually finding that the fast track pilots are a better product than the undisciplined pilots who have been flying up north.
The chief needs to move into the 21st century.
Things have changed my boy - for the better!!!
The regionals are actually finding that the fast track pilots are a better product than the undisciplined pilots who have been flying up north.
The chief needs to move into the 21st century.
Things have changed my boy - for the better!!!
Mesopause. "Undiscipined pilots who have flown up north"??? You're kidding right? Take that c**k out of your mouth and get real.
I flew up north for a few years, and I don't come across as "undisciplined". I work for a reputable operator who is very strict on the rules (like everyone should be, and most are), and I haven't found that I've had to change the way I do things.
aero747, what a wank. I highly doubt that you're looking at a command within 2 months. If so, that means that you're telling me you've done about 1,300hrs in the previous 12 months (illegal), you've done 75hrs IF, 100hrs night and now have your ATPL? PLUS, you're also telling me that your company is going to let you operate a turbo-prop over 5,700kg on RPT operations, with barely over 1,500hrs total time (which equates to about 850hrs TAE if you account for your co-pilot time)?
Chief, I'm with you. At least there are still people out there who have the experience to be able to teach the experience to these wankers.
morno
I flew up north for a few years, and I don't come across as "undisciplined". I work for a reputable operator who is very strict on the rules (like everyone should be, and most are), and I haven't found that I've had to change the way I do things.
aero747, what a wank. I highly doubt that you're looking at a command within 2 months. If so, that means that you're telling me you've done about 1,300hrs in the previous 12 months (illegal), you've done 75hrs IF, 100hrs night and now have your ATPL? PLUS, you're also telling me that your company is going to let you operate a turbo-prop over 5,700kg on RPT operations, with barely over 1,500hrs total time (which equates to about 850hrs TAE if you account for your co-pilot time)?
Chief, I'm with you. At least there are still people out there who have the experience to be able to teach the experience to these wankers.
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Morno I did my time up north like you before moving onto jets. Too much blue sky and your flying becomes sloppy. You become a great single minded ifr pilot and often find the transition to multicrew can be difficult.
I say good luck to aero and all the guys and girls today who are obviously gonna have a faster and easier career path than u and I did.
The facts are they seem to be doing what they say they are doing so get use to it.
XFSD go the easy route brother my career path sucked!!!
I say good luck to aero and all the guys and girls today who are obviously gonna have a faster and easier career path than u and I did.
The facts are they seem to be doing what they say they are doing so get use to it.
XFSD go the easy route brother my career path sucked!!!
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I am also a current fast track student and there is nothing DECEPTIVE to it.
We sit all the same exams as everyone else and do all the same flying in a shorter time frame, we are current because we fly every day.
From what i have been told the airlines are no place for the unmotivated.
From what i have heard their ground school schedule alone is high pressure, similar but relative to what us fast track students go thorough.
I would rather be prepared than not entering into the airlines.
We sit all the same exams as everyone else and do all the same flying in a shorter time frame, we are current because we fly every day.
From what i have been told the airlines are no place for the unmotivated.
From what i have heard their ground school schedule alone is high pressure, similar but relative to what us fast track students go thorough.
I would rather be prepared than not entering into the airlines.
I don't want to be the best pilot in the world - Just the oldest
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I would hazard a guess that the guys and girls working for the likes of KFS, Polar, Tripicar, Broome Av, Slingair and Aligator to name but a few, would ALL rather be doing what they are now and that is getting real command time and experience.
It is fast but there is a sudden stop to it. And at $80K - $90K you can spend that same money much more productively and be far more employable at the end. Not many GA operators with Barons, Chieftains etc are going to have much use for somone with hundreds of hours the Co-pilot column and bugga all in command.
Is that meant to be a general statement or just what happened to you?
It is fast but there is a sudden stop to it. And at $80K - $90K you can spend that same money much more productively and be far more employable at the end. Not many GA operators with Barons, Chieftains etc are going to have much use for somone with hundreds of hours the Co-pilot column and bugga all in command.
Too much blue sky and your flying becomes sloppy.
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Island Jock and everyone else thanks for your feedback it is all being taken on-board
Island Jock if you were me and had 90k to spend on training to be employable, how would you do it?
Island Jock if you were me and had 90k to spend on training to be employable, how would you do it?
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Fast Track to CPL in Australia
Hey Menopause,
I hope you don't fly for my airline. With an attitude like yours i can't see you climbing the ladder but rather staying stagnent. Have a listen to the people who have taught and flown in the industry. They know what is good training and what is not. Remember it's not how quick you do the training but the product produced and the product the airline will accept. Remember in the past when operaters would ask where you did your ATPL? Overseas and convert? I can now see them asking, Fast Track or Professional?
I hope you don't fly for my airline. With an attitude like yours i can't see you climbing the ladder but rather staying stagnent. Have a listen to the people who have taught and flown in the industry. They know what is good training and what is not. Remember it's not how quick you do the training but the product produced and the product the airline will accept. Remember in the past when operaters would ask where you did your ATPL? Overseas and convert? I can now see them asking, Fast Track or Professional?