Clean MR's and raised eyebrows
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Latest ATSB accident report covers a C210 that lost power on final for 07 at Townsville. Owner-Pilot did a good job with no injuries although aircraft badly damaged in forced landing. ATSB state the aircraft had flown 90 hours since last 100 hourly and maintenance release revealed clean sheet no defects. Remarkable achievement after 90 hours of operations in the tropics...
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Why don't you just come right out and say that the owner and or maintenance organisation is dodgey and stop beating around the bush?
Is there a point / question from your post?
Achieving 90% of the 100 hourly is hardly an achievement and with good maintenance and a fastidious owner it's no surprise.
Oh and by the way, it was actually a Cessna 207 !
Is there a point / question from your post?
Achieving 90% of the 100 hourly is hardly an achievement and with good maintenance and a fastidious owner it's no surprise.
Oh and by the way, it was actually a Cessna 207 !
Why don't you just come right out and say that the owner and or maintenance organisation is dodgey and stop beating around the bush
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Achieving 90% of the 100 hourly is hardly an achievement and with good maintenance and a fastidious owner it's no surprise.
Fastidious owner- YES
Good maintenance in TL- GIVE ME A BREAK!
Fastidious owner- YES
Good maintenance in TL- GIVE ME A BREAK!
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Clean MR's and raised eyebrows
Wouldn't it be the norm to run from 100 hourly to 100 hourly without incident. Of course there will be exceptions that can not/would not be attributed to any maintenance organisation. Old aircraft are just that, old aircraft! Old things are prone to beakages and I don't think old cessna 207's (your'e right VH-XXX, it wasn't a C210) are any different from other aircraft. (sorry FTDK, Bo's excepted).
For the record, I know that the C207 in question was maintained north of Townsville, and I reckon the four maintenance shops in Townsville would like to have a quiet chat to you TWO RINGS!
I guess that's life on Pprune! Snide comments by anonymous pruners really go a long way towards showing the proffessionalism and un-accountability of some, as opposed to the vunerability of others.
For the record, I know that the C207 in question was maintained north of Townsville, and I reckon the four maintenance shops in Townsville would like to have a quiet chat to you TWO RINGS!
I guess that's life on Pprune! Snide comments by anonymous pruners really go a long way towards showing the proffessionalism and un-accountability of some, as opposed to the vunerability of others.
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I think I may have told a furphy, a phone call (or two!) tells me that the C207may have been partially maintained in Townsville, but the fuel pump stuff up would have been from an independent "specialist' shop. Sorry.
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What the? And all this time I thought that our grease monkeys in Darwin sent US the aeroplanes and gave US 100 hours to fix them before sending them back to be broken again. (Apologies in advance to the decent LAMEs
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Few private aircraft regularly achieve 100 hours before the annual inspection. I would wager the average is about 50 hours so a clean sheet is not improbable. In fact most defects are discovered at these inspections.
Does the ATSB mention any defects that they detected that should have been MR'd?
Bob, I know a lot of owner pilots that would be somewhat offended by that remark.
In fact most defects are discovered at these inspections
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I can think of one private aircraft with 600 hours of clean MR's other than those mandatory services and transponder checks.
Have to say the service history is very thorough!
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Have to say the service history is very thorough!
J
Just because there are no defects on the MR may just be because the owner has had any items signed off.
A fault that is found and correctly removed is no longer a fault
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A fault that is found and correctly removed is no longer a fault
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OZBUSDRIVER;
I offend pilot /owners on a regular basis. Inspection two annuals ago, Piper Colt had a hole in the muffler- heater arrangement. I didn't nor could see it and the defect although not immediately life threatening, could have developed into such a scene shortly thereafter. I still have the offending piece cut out as evidence. Bugga, I just used that word "could" again. Thing is, a smart LAME without a signed blank cheque found and rectified the problem. Probably a strict liability offence.
I offend pilot /owners on a regular basis. Inspection two annuals ago, Piper Colt had a hole in the muffler- heater arrangement. I didn't nor could see it and the defect although not immediately life threatening, could have developed into such a scene shortly thereafter. I still have the offending piece cut out as evidence. Bugga, I just used that word "could" again. Thing is, a smart LAME without a signed blank cheque found and rectified the problem. Probably a strict liability offence.
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OZBUSDRIVER;
Most pilot /owners /operators, are not trained to do more than a daily inspection. How many owners have you heard say that was an expensive annual! I keep saying that most pilots are not engineers and thus unqualified to establish what is safe and what is not. Like a "roadworthy" most rely upon the document at hand which is usually a maintenance release. I have heard of owners (responsible for maintenance), buying an aircraft to learn to fly on. WTF would they know about brake caliper measurements, cylinder compressions etc etc?
If that MR is 90 minutes and 2 months old one would not expect any major defects that would need writing up on the MR. Especially if that A/C was on line to a Victorian flying club, for example, and thus the legal "operator" and now responsible for the maintenance.
In a case I well remember, two recent Commercial pilots sat in an on line C172 for about half an hour argueing then came back and refused to fly the aeroplane after writing a defect on the MR that the tacho hours did not agree with the TTIS. The concept of the tacho being a device to measure revolutions per minute, and time, like a wristwatch or VDO, were lost on them. One was an IFR pilot with a job. God help us all.
The owner was somewhat miffed to say the least especially when he got the bill for "rectifying" a problem that didn't exist. Had the pilots been expected to read the logbooks prior they would have noticed a tacho replacement.
If you own an aircraft and have never been hit with a LAME's bill for something you didn't know about, you are one in a million. I suppose you are full bottle on door X Rays for the PA-22?
Incidentally, have you ever heard of a "snag sheet"? I have, didn't cause the prang, but two young blokes lost their lives and the "regulators" made a big theme of it being somehow to blame for a CFIT. I sat through the Coroners Inquest mate.
Most pilot /owners /operators, are not trained to do more than a daily inspection. How many owners have you heard say that was an expensive annual! I keep saying that most pilots are not engineers and thus unqualified to establish what is safe and what is not. Like a "roadworthy" most rely upon the document at hand which is usually a maintenance release. I have heard of owners (responsible for maintenance), buying an aircraft to learn to fly on. WTF would they know about brake caliper measurements, cylinder compressions etc etc?
If that MR is 90 minutes and 2 months old one would not expect any major defects that would need writing up on the MR. Especially if that A/C was on line to a Victorian flying club, for example, and thus the legal "operator" and now responsible for the maintenance.
In a case I well remember, two recent Commercial pilots sat in an on line C172 for about half an hour argueing then came back and refused to fly the aeroplane after writing a defect on the MR that the tacho hours did not agree with the TTIS. The concept of the tacho being a device to measure revolutions per minute, and time, like a wristwatch or VDO, were lost on them. One was an IFR pilot with a job. God help us all.
The owner was somewhat miffed to say the least especially when he got the bill for "rectifying" a problem that didn't exist. Had the pilots been expected to read the logbooks prior they would have noticed a tacho replacement.
If you own an aircraft and have never been hit with a LAME's bill for something you didn't know about, you are one in a million. I suppose you are full bottle on door X Rays for the PA-22?
Incidentally, have you ever heard of a "snag sheet"? I have, didn't cause the prang, but two young blokes lost their lives and the "regulators" made a big theme of it being somehow to blame for a CFIT. I sat through the Coroners Inquest mate.
