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Pattystacker...Pointless Troll
Your point is what?...absolutely no point.
You fail to realize that what the domestics vote in and on unfortunately has an impact on longhaul.The transfer of so called regional flying is a case in point.
MAM casuals..300 of them...... have elected to transfer to QCCA...why?
Deserting a sinking ship probably.
Unlike MAM QCCA employees are part of EBA8.In two years time there will be a combined LH population of near 5000.
That would give them some reasonable bargaining power.
Depending on what happens with the current domestic EBA will determine whether or not the domestics remain the weakest link and provide the company with a portion of the workforce who will undermine the resolve of others.
From that perspective lets hope the domestic EBA is a good one.
You fail to realize that what the domestics vote in and on unfortunately has an impact on longhaul.The transfer of so called regional flying is a case in point.
MAM casuals..300 of them...... have elected to transfer to QCCA...why?
Deserting a sinking ship probably.
Unlike MAM QCCA employees are part of EBA8.In two years time there will be a combined LH population of near 5000.
That would give them some reasonable bargaining power.
Depending on what happens with the current domestic EBA will determine whether or not the domestics remain the weakest link and provide the company with a portion of the workforce who will undermine the resolve of others.
From that perspective lets hope the domestic EBA is a good one.
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This thread was going along nicely until recently and I will not be part of those who's only wish is to close this thread down...
Call Button check your PM's....
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PattyStacker
Perhaps you should educate yourself to a little history before you go off half cocked and attack everyone.
The days of flying as a longterm career are over.Its a young single persons job.You stay for 5 years and then go and do something else.The QCCA rostering will guarantee no one stays too long...you will be burnt out.
LH and the domestics are inextricably linked.What one votes on affects the other.Thats why threads always go down a particular path.
There is lot of resentment toward the domestics.It will take a long time to dissipate.They made a mistake.They will have to live with it.
Lets hope they dont bugger this one up.
FootNote:75% of LH CC are female.The patriarchy as you call it is 25%.We do not need homophobes like PattyStacker flying.
The days of flying as a longterm career are over.Its a young single persons job.You stay for 5 years and then go and do something else.The QCCA rostering will guarantee no one stays too long...you will be burnt out.
LH and the domestics are inextricably linked.What one votes on affects the other.Thats why threads always go down a particular path.
There is lot of resentment toward the domestics.It will take a long time to dissipate.They made a mistake.They will have to live with it.
Lets hope they dont bugger this one up.
FootNote:75% of LH CC are female.The patriarchy as you call it is 25%.We do not need homophobes like PattyStacker flying.
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prunezeuss,
I have tried to explain the history to Patty and it doesn't work so theres no point in going down that road mate.Lobee has the right idea so just ignore anyone who wants to continue with any rubbish.
Galley Hag or Call Button or any other s/h crew when is your eba deadline?
I have tried to explain the history to Patty and it doesn't work so theres no point in going down that road mate.Lobee has the right idea so just ignore anyone who wants to continue with any rubbish.
Galley Hag or Call Button or any other s/h crew when is your eba deadline?
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Just quickly before I leave to enjoy the long weekend, what is your interest Lowerlobe? Can't handle the life without flying, or do you miss the drama and galley gossip, or possibly the pensioner meetings downstairs at the cheap & nasty discount food and drink joints at the Bonaventure? Perhaps you have not been to Costco for your 12kg's of washing powder, are unable to wash now and cannot venture out. Whatever, good to see you are enjoying your time since leaving with nothing to do but get angry and fired up on here.
Part time for a corporate jet charter sure beats working with some of the sad cases in QF Longhaul. Mostly they were fantastic, but some like yourself Lobe ruin it for everyone. Your life is spent abusing those who do not agree with your point of view. Yet you seem one of the more hypocritical among those here. Does it worry me, not at all. Life is much more satisfying now.
Some of the maturity and professionalism displayed by QF crew here entertains us here where I now work. It shows why this business is going so well at the moment.
Part time for a corporate jet charter sure beats working with some of the sad cases in QF Longhaul. Mostly they were fantastic, but some like yourself Lobe ruin it for everyone. Your life is spent abusing those who do not agree with your point of view. Yet you seem one of the more hypocritical among those here. Does it worry me, not at all. Life is much more satisfying now.
Some of the maturity and professionalism displayed by QF crew here entertains us here where I now work. It shows why this business is going so well at the moment.
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Just wanted to see what any junior SH crew out there in the various bases thought of the May rosters. Melbourne crew from about 7 years seniority have been dumped with a month of SYD returns and there are ALOT of unhappy campers. Can anyone divulge (as a comparison) what kind of rosters they have been getting, especially in SYD.
Going from 10-13 overnights to none in one hit is nasty, especially if the schedules arent evenly balanced amongst the bases.
No movement in seniority for the last six years makes a mockery of the current seniority system as it stands.
Something has got to give. Hopefully the EBA can address some of these issues.
Going from 10-13 overnights to none in one hit is nasty, especially if the schedules arent evenly balanced amongst the bases.
No movement in seniority for the last six years makes a mockery of the current seniority system as it stands.
Something has got to give. Hopefully the EBA can address some of these issues.
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RedTBar,
I'm not actually sure when our EBA deadline is. I understand the FAAA is currently in negotiations with the company. Our EBA online surveys have to be completed by today.
The FAAA has confirmed that the company has indicated their wish to discuss longhaul transfer conditions as part of the next round of enterprise negotiations.
So look out all the DOMESTICS who started with TAA in the 60's and 70's are coming over in droves!!!
I'm not actually sure when our EBA deadline is. I understand the FAAA is currently in negotiations with the company. Our EBA online surveys have to be completed by today.
The FAAA has confirmed that the company has indicated their wish to discuss longhaul transfer conditions as part of the next round of enterprise negotiations.
So look out all the DOMESTICS who started with TAA in the 60's and 70's are coming over in droves!!!
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Quote-
"So look out all the DOMESTICS who started with TAA in the 60's and 70's are coming over in droves!!!"
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Wasn't that a B grade 70's shlock movie?
"Attack of the Killer Beehives" ????
"So look out all the DOMESTICS who started with TAA in the 60's and 70's are coming over in droves!!!"
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Wasn't that a B grade 70's shlock movie?
"Attack of the Killer Beehives" ????
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The FAAA has confirmed that the company has indicated their wish to discuss longhaul transfer conditions as part of the next round of enterprise negotiations.
If that's the case then this might be a way for GD to reduce the number of redundancy payments.Fun times for all ahead
Speedbirdhouse and call button,How do those girls afford all the hairspray let alone carry it
White Pointer,this thread is going ahead and can do without your attempts to drag lowerlobe or anyone else into a mess of escalating posts.If you really want this thread to be able to get info on s/h EBA talks then post constructive comments only.
If you want to trade insults with someone then do it with a pm instead of posting.
I for one do not want to read about your squabbles
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most of the MAM casuals that went across to QCCA have gone because it is a full time job and they get staff travel....................be it for only 5 years untill they burn out.
One ex MAM has been interviewd for a CSM position that I know of
One ex MAM has been interviewd for a CSM position that I know of
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The future for SH is indeed a rosy one. QF has about 3Billion in the bank and they are gearing up in a major way to hold the line on domestic market share. QF have ordered a significant number of 737-800 many which will be deployed regionally which will satisfy those that want some international flying.
The SH FAAA have lowered the bar a little with the Virgin EBA and now the Team Jetstar but what choice did they have....You do the deal and then you seek to improve them over time or you bury your head in the sand and they do a non union deal.
Its the way of the world just deal with it as it's the samee everywhere.
The SH EBA will also have to deal with growing concerns about inequity around seniority issues as well as the desire of MAM crew to have permanent jobs and better security.
Money isnt everything
The SH FAAA have lowered the bar a little with the Virgin EBA and now the Team Jetstar but what choice did they have....You do the deal and then you seek to improve them over time or you bury your head in the sand and they do a non union deal.
Its the way of the world just deal with it as it's the samee everywhere.
The SH EBA will also have to deal with growing concerns about inequity around seniority issues as well as the desire of MAM crew to have permanent jobs and better security.
Money isnt everything
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Domestic Transfers.?
There is enough resentment towrds the domestics as it is.
What this about droves of them transferring to LH?
Bloody well hope its not true
Peg 747 what say you?
What this about droves of them transferring to LH?
Bloody well hope its not true
Peg 747 what say you?
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as you may have seen
on the cc website the divisional tranfer is on. on the CIS screen they talk about 30 transferees by august. by then the SH EBA should be wrapped up. what may be of concern is the actual numbers the company wants to transfer. there are several hundred on the transfer list. i for one do not want to see another senior domestic jumping ahead taking my trips. have waited long enough, and with the A380 coming there will be less slots available in a couple of years to our favourite destination. 
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well i think that we should transfer all SH crew to Long Haul. That way there would be one pool of crew on one EBA doing all the work. No needs for two divisions of the FAAA and one united workforce... albeit with acrimony about seniority ... i tire of the constant diatribe about seniority though...one good challenge in the EEO or ADB and its dead for everyone.
My advice...wake up and smell the roses if seniority is your god then let the cards fall where they will. The debate was over 15 years ago when the deal was done that we had one seniority list for LH and SH.
Get over it or the whole edifice will come down and bury us all
My advice...wake up and smell the roses if seniority is your god then let the cards fall where they will. The debate was over 15 years ago when the deal was done that we had one seniority list for LH and SH.
Get over it or the whole edifice will come down and bury us all
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Company is considering sending s/h csm's to ll/h in cat.
This is in the transfer doc to be approved by both sides.
Has to be approved by both parties and they are asking s/h csm's to put in a expression of interest.
L/H Faaa would almost have to take the phone off the hook to hold back the "don't you dare" phone calls.
PP
Has to be approved by both parties and they are asking s/h csm's to put in a expression of interest.
L/H Faaa would almost have to take the phone off the hook to hold back the "don't you dare" phone calls.
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The only transfers of CSMs in category are on a one for one basis. ie one SH csm transfers to LH in Category as long as one LH CSM wants to go to SH in category AT THE SAME TIME.
Net change zero
Promotional slots lost Zero
Hysteria NORMAL
Net change zero
Promotional slots lost Zero
Hysteria NORMAL
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LH Transfer List
I believe there are more than 250 SH crew on the transfer list. Apparently many are ex longhaulers, who left LH in different circumstances, and now want to go back. Many have now become CSM's at SH. The company are calling for 'expressions of interest' for CSM's wishing to transfer in catergory. I know the rules state that there must be a 1 for 1 swap, however I think the SH EBA may see a 'one off' variation to this rule. We'll have to wait and see.
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Quote- "I think the SH EBA may see a 'one off' variation to this rule."
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Which would severely disadvantage the promotional opportunities of existing Longhaul cabin crew.
I can't imagine that the Longhaul FAAA would agree to this happening.
The Domestics can enter into a force long service leave "burn" program as occurred to us when our flying was poached.
It'll fix the surplus AND improve morale.
It worked for us..................
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Which would severely disadvantage the promotional opportunities of existing Longhaul cabin crew.
I can't imagine that the Longhaul FAAA would agree to this happening.
The Domestics can enter into a force long service leave "burn" program as occurred to us when our flying was poached.
It'll fix the surplus AND improve morale.
It worked for us..................
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This is in the transfer doc to be approved by both sides.
