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Old 19th Apr 2008, 04:09
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Can some one give me some info on the current Pay and monthly hours crew are doing on the 717 at the moment. Also is it a good place to work and what is the time frame for a command. Thanks in advance.
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The 146 is 62 I would think the 717 would be more ,people who can leave have left they say in the latest drive lifestyle but on that money you could not buy a house in Perth. I think at least a few years to command.
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And with Qantas starting up a 737 base in Perth and reportedly taking over alot of 717 flying there may not be much progression at all soon.
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couldn't help but laugh when I saw this thread was moved to GA
GA & Questions old chap, I suspect this'd be a question.
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Tis funny you know, cos when I worked with them many moons ago before the advent of Mr Boeing, a 146 FO earnt around 65k base from memory. Could it have gone down?
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^^^^^^^

Well it IS National Joke after all.....
Just when you think you've hit rock bottom, out comes the offer of a 'b scale' Hmmmm hang on it'd have to be an f scale by now wouldn't it?
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The quoted $ are Bscale.
Things are getting desperate, still think they will get pilots unless you say you want A scale or no start!
I think you will still end up with the job but on proper conditions (77k FO). Not a bad gig on that money. 50 hrs a month weekends off on the 146.
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RU/16, check your F/O B scale figures.

It's about 20k less than you claim, on the 717, following pay cut last year.
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tio540,

HOLY SH!T!!!

Goodbye National Jet.
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Yep Cat, a question about a GA company

And with Qantas starting up a 737 base in Perth and reportedly taking over alot of 717 flying there may not be much progression at all soon.
Yesterday 07:57
I believe they are not overly happy with the bent 717 either
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Bunch of farkin' pessimists some of you lot.

So the 737 is going to provide extra capacity on some routes and you lot think that QF will just park the bloody 717 by the fence???? Maybe, just maybe, it'll increase capacity or frequency on other routes.

Now wouldn't that be a novel idea!

tio540, perhaps you should check your facts. Last year an improvement in conditions was won for B Scalers, not great but an improvement. The biggest improvement will happen when wannabes stop accepting the offer so that demand forces the price up. Oh, but then wannabe might miss out on the jet-jobbie!

Aerocom as much as my hair's gone white, and I get frustrated beyond belief at times, the next paddock has the same ****, just a different shade. $62ishK to start, 4 years to Level 5 pay, if you come over, you perpetuate the belief that the pay is acceptable.
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Old 21st Apr 2008, 23:14
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Claret, just for the record it wasn't the wannabes who started the rot at NJS by driving the price down. It was people like yourself who initiated the original 5 year deal to protect your own little worlds. The reason you stay at NJS is because no one else wants you and as always you look to blame others for your own doing!!!
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Back to aerocom questions.

Are the T & C's that bad at NJS that no one will post the figures here?
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Old 22nd Apr 2008, 00:15
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62582-78228 after 5 years F/O
104304-130380 after 5 years Capt
For new entrants. No pay for endorsement but bonded.
Bout to be increased for CPI
Stand your ground and the top rate will prevail they need crews bad!
Not a bad GA job
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Go to Virgin
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Aw gee Sanchez, I'm so hurt by your mean nasty parstie words.

Come on back when you know what you're talking about.
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RU/16,

Are those figures A or B scale?

How many O/N's per month and what allowances are paid?

How long to command on the B717 and if you have FO time on jets above 40t would you be fast tracked to command?
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Dear Capt Claret.

Your pay improvement definition must be different to mine.

B717 F/O was $75K two years ago. Dropped to under $58K, for new recruits.

Now $62K after 5 years, see above post.

How do you see this as an improvement?

I have nothing against N.J. personally, but applicants need to know.
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If it's 58K for new FO's that would the pay lower then what Alliance are paying for the F100 and would make NJS the lowest paid jet pilots in Australia.

I believe Skytrans are paying 50-60k for a Dash 8 FO.
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Hey Sanchez you can always tell when you get old Claret on the back foot - he gets personal. I reckon you know very well what you're talking about and the Captain don't like it ! That's the CIA culture at NJS.

tio 540 very observant and a totally correct assessment.

I left this mob some time back and have watched it slowly implode. Pity really, because it had incredible potential had they been managed properly.
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