Merged: Plane missing south of Sydney...

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

A Saad day indeed if that is the case, the only sane person I had the pleasure meeting in an insane workplace.

[tipsy2]

Ever since I was involved in the investigation of a Metro Freighter accident nr Tamworth enroute from Armidale, I have wondered why a Metro with passengers is more complicated as to require 2 pilots to operate it as opposed to the Metro carrying freight is apparently less complicated and therefore only needs 1 pilot to operate.

Can anyone answer this as it has been bugging me for the last 10 or so years.

tipsy

[OneDotLow]

Condolences to all touched by this terrible tragedy.

[Jabawocky]

Unqualified comments but what the heck....

Freighter, pilot dies from heart attack.....lost freight, PAX, other pilot flies on.

Freighter without an A/P working is 2 x Pilot, where its 1 pilot with the A/P.

May not be regulated that way but it seems the operate that way.

No doubt someone will correct me

J

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

It has to do with the legislated requirement for the "type of operation", i.e passenger carrying, it has nothing to do with the "aircraft type".

The Metro 23 ( the biggest of the Metro's ) is certified by the FAA as a single pilot aeroplane.

To operate this type on Charter (with pax) or RPT you need two pilots, refer CAO's.

[RatsoreA]

Extremly disappointing

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-29277,00.html

Very sad news to have to hear.

Always a pleasure flying with you.

There was always something valuable to be learned, and you were always ready to teach it.

[SIDS N STARS]

Would it be too disruptive to have a minute silence at Dom 5 around 2330 to remember a fallen comrade??

Comisserations and condolences to all..

[tipsy2]

LRT according to the ATSB website

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200802204.aspx

Type of Operation...............Charter

Also refering to the ASIR I alluded to earlier

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...R199400612.PDF

Type of Operation.....................(also) Charter

Still does not answer my question why the crew compliment required to operate as a freighter is different to that when the same aircraft is operated as a Passenger aircraft. Does the aircraft morph itself and become more complicated or vice versa.

tipsy

[Brasilian Boy]

I'll ask the load staff if they can give a minute's silence tonight at 2330.

[tipsy2]

I am aware of the Regs etc but being Compliant (legal if you like) does not necessarily mean it is safe. This is a concept that regulatory authorities have difficulty understanding and/or accepting. There are those that still believe writting more legislation with the attendant punitive measures will make things safer


Just like the universal compliance with the road rules has become because of fines/demerit points etc..............

tipsy

[OPSH24]

Whether or not it should be single or two pilots, with or without an AP, is a conversation that may not be appropriate at this time. Until a reasonable investigation has concluded the casual factors for this tragedy this conversation, as valid as it may be, might be better taken up in another thread as not to presume anything about this terrible accident.

There but for the grace of God go we.

My condolences to the family of the departed, his family and workmates.

Rest in Peace

[MUNT]

Condolences to the family of a pilot loved by many

R I P

[multi_engined]

Pilot's name was released on channel seven news this evening.

Condolences to family.

[Capt Wally]

Tipsy I remember that Metro's demise just to the Nth of YSTW some years ago whilst conducting a DME arr, in fact I have some melted pieces of it's airframe somewhere here at home, (long story as to why I have them) it was VH-SWP(ex Kendells). That was so sad to see the complete plane reduced to a crumpled burnt out mess in some salvage yard juts out of Tamworth

I feel so numb when I here of fellow aviators departure via such a violent way.
....................he now flies free !



CW

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

geeezuzz Tipsy2, it is in the legislation, do we need to say anymore.

Why don't we operate all aircraft two crew, why not make it three and a flight engineer.

[Roost]

My condolences to the family of the departed, his family.

RIP

As far as 1 or 2 crew, there are certain operations your not permitted to do as a single pilot operation in i.e. wet go-around. So the aircraft dosen't get more complicated its just you can use it to its full compexity if you have a full compliment of crew.

[Stationair8]

Metro II, Bandeirante, Kingair 200, Nomad 24, DH114 Heron, Cessna C404 etc were all opearted single pilot on RPT with anything up to 19 pax until the accident with the Avdev B200 at Sydney in the early 1980's.

You can fly a charter in Cessna C404 with a CPL licence and carry 12 passengers, fly the same aircraft on RPT you limited to 9 pax.

Impulse operated the Beech 1900C/D on night freight single pilot operations until they phased out the aircraft.

[Swift6]

A very sad day,

I am greatful for having known him. He gave myself and others at the Scouts so much of his time. Without him I wouldn't have been able to start flying when I did. When he was in the air you could see that he was in his element, sometimes he'd even hum as we flew along!

My condolences to his family my thoughts are with you at this most awful time.

[Rostov]

This is yet another tradgedy.

Rest in peace.
I still am unaware who the driver was but my connections here run deep enough. It seems so long ago since VH-BSS crashed into Botany Bay and yet not long enough.
Too many of my friends never got where they wanted to go, I can't retire quick enough from this coont of an industry.
Devastated. is an understatment.

[Naughty S]

Moderators shut down this thread please there are enough comments on another thread already without the pi**ing contest about CAO's etc

This person was a close friend of mine, give him some respect please without the speculation.