Cause of Willowbank C206 crash
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Australian Parachute Federation Regulation 5.1.14. A serviceable parachute and training in its use is to be made available to pilots of parachuting aircraft.
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Originally Posted by Knox
Yes in NZ jump pilots are legally required to (wear) parachutes.
Thanks Knox, that's what I thought. Begs the question then why things are different in Oz, given that we both operate under an (increasingly) similar regulatory structure. Quote.
I think also in Oz its a legal requirement for all jumpers to wear a seatbelt. In NZ no such requirement.
Knox
Ps. thanks for the correction.
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Originally Posted by Knox
Yes in NZ jump pilots are legally required to (wear) parachutes.
Thanks Knox, that's what I thought. Begs the question then why things are different in Oz, given that we both operate under an (increasingly) similar regulatory structure. Quote.
I think also in Oz its a legal requirement for all jumpers to wear a seatbelt. In NZ no such requirement.
Knox
Ps. thanks for the correction.
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"the operator of the C208 out of YCDR does run a very professional operation"
I don't know of any professional C208 operations that run out of Caloundra.
I don't know of any professional C208 operations that run out of Caloundra.
What...haven't seen the overgrown cessna parked at the end of the T junction as you drive in??
Yeah yeah.
For those who aren't aware, Sunshine Coast Skydivers use a c'van owned and crewed by Al McVinnish. Owns about 4 of them. (MMV, NMV, OMV and ZMV from memory.) Bases ops out of Toogoolawah. C'vans used by SCS, and the crew near Byron amongst others. Might have seen them on Outback Jack and the Ice Break ad (anyone notice "Al" written on the side of the female pilot's headset?). Al is very particular about how his aircraft are flown. Do something stupid and you'll know about it.
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And you will see Kenny's C208 also parked there from time to time with Chopperline. They professional enough?
Yeah yeah.
For those who aren't aware, Sunshine Coast Skydivers use a c'van owned and crewed by Al McVinnish. Owns about 4 of them. (MMV, NMV, OMV and ZMV from memory.) Bases ops out of Toogoolawah. C'vans used by SCS, and the crew near Byron amongst others. Might have seen them on Outback Jack and the Ice Break ad (anyone notice "Al" written on the side of the female pilot's headset?). Al is very particular about how his aircraft are flown. Do something stupid and you'll know about it.
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And you will see Kenny's C208 also parked there from time to time with Chopperline. They professional enough?
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MMV, NMV, UMV and ZMV
Though I believe the fleet has dropped off a little bit.
Byron Bay got rather annoyed at Al and decided the best solution to the problem was to buy ZMV and run their own operation.
I heard a rumour NMV may have moved on as well, but don't quote me on that.
Though I believe the fleet has dropped off a little bit.
Byron Bay got rather annoyed at Al and decided the best solution to the problem was to buy ZMV and run their own operation.
I heard a rumour NMV may have moved on as well, but don't quote me on that.
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Zulu bought by byron but still crewed and maintained by Al. November in Woolongong with skydive the beach. Oscar the most recent acquisition, the latest I know of anyway
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Oh I take it all back, if Kenny's 208 is there then there may be one professional van operator in Caloundra. Proffesional is not a word I would use to describe McVinishs flying circus.
MakeItHappenCaptain I am happy but its got nothing to do with your post. Why the adoration of Al?
MakeItHappenCaptain I am happy but its got nothing to do with your post. Why the adoration of Al?
A SKYDIVING centre owner has admitted he may have distracted a pilot as he tried to control a flight which crashed west of Brisbane two years ago killing five people.
A coronial inquest in Brisbane this week is investigating the circumstances which caused a modified high winged Cessna 206 to clip a tree and flip into a dam near Willowbank about 30 seconds after takeoff from the Brisbane Skydiving Centre on January 2, 2006.
Volunteer pilot Anthony Winter, 22, from Brisbane, Irish skydiving instructor Nigel O'Gorman, 34, British instructor Colin Hicklin, 41, Briton Susanne Williams, 49, and Barbara McLelland, 40, of the Gold Coast were killed.
Skydiving centre owner Brian Scoffell and Gold Coast woman Mandy Best survived.
Mr Scoffell today told the inquiry the plane had sounded normal on takeoff, but he realised it was in trouble shortly after when he felt the power pull back.
He said he asked the pilot to check whether the auxiliary fuel pump was on before telling him not to stall the plane.
He said Mr Winter had been trying to keep the plane in the air when he looked backed at Mr Scoffell and the plane's wing hit the tree.
Asked by counsel assisting Ian Harvey whether his orders had distracted the pilot at a crucial time, Mr Scoffell replied "possibly".
He agreed with counsel for the Australian Parachute Federation's barrister, Tony Entriken, that it was the pilot's obligation not to be distracted by passengers.
Mr Scoffell told the inquiry he believed Mr Winter should have attempted a forced landing on a nearby field to avert the disaster.
He said his decision to continue to fly was the wrong one.
"I expected him to put the nose down and look for somewhere to land because once you stall you've got no control over it, you just crash and die," he said.
Investigators have failed to find the cause of the accident, but Mr Scoffell said he thought the plane's turbo elbow may have broken.
The inquiry has previously heard from witnesses who said the engine had sounded odd while idling on the runway and black smoke had come from the plane.
Mr Scoffell said that was normal after the plane had been fitted with a 350 horsepower overhauled turbo-charged engine.
The inquiry continues.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...7-3102,00.html
A coronial inquest in Brisbane this week is investigating the circumstances which caused a modified high winged Cessna 206 to clip a tree and flip into a dam near Willowbank about 30 seconds after takeoff from the Brisbane Skydiving Centre on January 2, 2006.
Volunteer pilot Anthony Winter, 22, from Brisbane, Irish skydiving instructor Nigel O'Gorman, 34, British instructor Colin Hicklin, 41, Briton Susanne Williams, 49, and Barbara McLelland, 40, of the Gold Coast were killed.
Skydiving centre owner Brian Scoffell and Gold Coast woman Mandy Best survived.
Mr Scoffell today told the inquiry the plane had sounded normal on takeoff, but he realised it was in trouble shortly after when he felt the power pull back.
He said he asked the pilot to check whether the auxiliary fuel pump was on before telling him not to stall the plane.
He said Mr Winter had been trying to keep the plane in the air when he looked backed at Mr Scoffell and the plane's wing hit the tree.
Asked by counsel assisting Ian Harvey whether his orders had distracted the pilot at a crucial time, Mr Scoffell replied "possibly".
He agreed with counsel for the Australian Parachute Federation's barrister, Tony Entriken, that it was the pilot's obligation not to be distracted by passengers.
Mr Scoffell told the inquiry he believed Mr Winter should have attempted a forced landing on a nearby field to avert the disaster.
He said his decision to continue to fly was the wrong one.
"I expected him to put the nose down and look for somewhere to land because once you stall you've got no control over it, you just crash and die," he said.
Investigators have failed to find the cause of the accident, but Mr Scoffell said he thought the plane's turbo elbow may have broken.
The inquiry has previously heard from witnesses who said the engine had sounded odd while idling on the runway and black smoke had come from the plane.
Mr Scoffell said that was normal after the plane had been fitted with a 350 horsepower overhauled turbo-charged engine.
The inquiry continues.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...7-3102,00.html
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Oh I take it all back, if Kenny's 208 is there then there may be one professional van operator in Caloundra. Proffesional is not a word I would use to describe McVinishs flying circus.
You are so right about that !!!!!
Zac.
Oh I take it all back, if Kenny's 208 is there then there may be one professional van operator in Caloundra. Proffesional is not a word I would use to describe McVinishs flying circus.
You are so right about that !!!!!
Zac.
Zac and HoD,
s'pose it all depends on your point of view, but compared to other PJ outfits I've seen, Al is miles ahead.
As for adoration, HoD, it was more of a trivia point, but if you're set on writing off everyone who doesn't immediately agree with you, well there's not much to say, is there?
s'pose it all depends on your point of view, but compared to other PJ outfits I've seen, Al is miles ahead.
As for adoration, HoD, it was more of a trivia point, but if you're set on writing off everyone who doesn't immediately agree with you, well there's not much to say, is there?
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McVinish a Pro? "There are no obsticals a Cal so just get within 3 miles and you can decend to 500' to get visual. You'll be fine I've done it heaps of times" And that was in a VFR 182 let alone his "how to fly a caravan like an airline pilot " lessons. Or "Don't worry about making radio calls there is no one around" Trying to save the almighty $
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Parachutes for drivers
''Made available to pilots" is different to "pilots must wear"
Private vs Commercial Ops
Couldn't agree more with MakeItHappenCaptain - The better skydiving operators are slowly getting there but I still maintain that the majority of tandem operations are commercial and should have commercial standards applied (AOC etc). Private ops my a*se!
Flying Circus
Seen a few less than professional incidents involving the aforementioned caravan owner. Like CLOSE form with a non-rated pilot in lead and scaring the cr*p out the more sensible meat bombs by sneaking abeam the lead a/c and putting his wing in front... The man used to boast about turning off his radios when transiting through the Oakey CTZ whilst returning to his property on the 'Downs.
he might be
but all that does is illustrate the low benchmark in that industry. 
Australian Parachute Federation Regulation 5.1.14. A serviceable parachute and training in its use is to be made available to pilots of parachuting aircraft.
Private vs Commercial Ops
Couldn't agree more with MakeItHappenCaptain - The better skydiving operators are slowly getting there but I still maintain that the majority of tandem operations are commercial and should have commercial standards applied (AOC etc). Private ops my a*se!
Flying Circus
Seen a few less than professional incidents involving the aforementioned caravan owner. Like CLOSE form with a non-rated pilot in lead and scaring the cr*p out the more sensible meat bombs by sneaking abeam the lead a/c and putting his wing in front... The man used to boast about turning off his radios when transiting through the Oakey CTZ whilst returning to his property on the 'Downs.
compared to other PJ outfits I've seen
miles ahead
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Australian Parachute Federation Regulation 5.1.14. A serviceable parachute and training in its use is to be made available to pilots of parachuting aircraft.
The aforementioned caravan owner doesn't even come close to the best PJ operators I've seen. Lots of warped ideas out of there - some good practices too, but a number of warped ones. That said, there are others that are worse.
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Makeithappencaptain,
maybe you have had bad luck with the drop zones you were involved in because there are operations out there more professional than his. I have worked for a worse one than his, but only one. The ones that I consider better than his are better because there is not one domineering overpowering personality at the helm. If you fly for him and have doubts about some of the ways you are expected to operate the a/c I would suggest asking the advice of professional pilots, (ones that hold a CPL and an instrument rating,) and then make up your own mind. Don't fly VFR 182's in IMC, don't let down on home made instrument approachs. Don't be pushed around by the DZ owners. Set your limits and stick to them. They might jump up and down and scream and tell you you'll lose your job but they'l probably call you back next week to carry on flying. And if they don't, at least you are alive.
maybe you have had bad luck with the drop zones you were involved in because there are operations out there more professional than his. I have worked for a worse one than his, but only one. The ones that I consider better than his are better because there is not one domineering overpowering personality at the helm. If you fly for him and have doubts about some of the ways you are expected to operate the a/c I would suggest asking the advice of professional pilots, (ones that hold a CPL and an instrument rating,) and then make up your own mind. Don't fly VFR 182's in IMC, don't let down on home made instrument approachs. Don't be pushed around by the DZ owners. Set your limits and stick to them. They might jump up and down and scream and tell you you'll lose your job but they'l probably call you back next week to carry on flying. And if they don't, at least you are alive.
Cjam,
You're better off directing your advice to anyone considering PJ work. I got out of that side of things many years ago.
You're better off directing your advice to anyone considering PJ work. I got out of that side of things many years ago.
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''Made available to pilots" is different to "pilots must wear"
