CTC ramps up training at NZHN - More overcrowding?
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Slight drift off topic here, but I am reminded of an incident recently that was a bit of a giggle.
Was on a cross country training flight which included a brief stop and refuel in HN. Despite a fair bit of traffic around and with a trainee controller on watch, after a brief hold at te rapa we were cleared to join number three behind a twin star (full stop on the seal due wake turb) and a 172 with a solo student from a training establishment that shall remain anonymous (full stop on the parallel grass).
We were then instructed to follow the 172 onto the grass. Which we duly did....
Everything seemed to be going to plan, the twin star landed safely on the seal, and we were sequenced nicely behind the student in the 172 going for the grass. It wasn't until we turned final we noticed the 172 ahead of us had spotted the big shiny PAPI's and figured they were actually for marking the threshold of the grass runway and had lined himself up nicely on those and promptly landed dead set in between the sealed and grass runways and stopped. At this point the supervising controller took over and asked the 172 pilot to stay put (laughter was audible in the background from everyone inside the tower) and we landed safely beside the other two aircraft on the actual grass runway.
I think a pretty good illustration that a trainee pilot can cause just as many head-aches for controllers as trainee controllers can for pilots when both are under a heavy workload. Despite what could have developed into a very serious mess, everyone stayed calm and retained their "sense of ha ha" and all ended well. Panic and raised voices would have achieved nothing.
I have always found ATC at HN to be very accomodating even when under a heavy work load, would be nice if some (not all) of their colleagues in AA would take a leaf out of their book from time to time.
XRNZAF
Was on a cross country training flight which included a brief stop and refuel in HN. Despite a fair bit of traffic around and with a trainee controller on watch, after a brief hold at te rapa we were cleared to join number three behind a twin star (full stop on the seal due wake turb) and a 172 with a solo student from a training establishment that shall remain anonymous (full stop on the parallel grass).
We were then instructed to follow the 172 onto the grass. Which we duly did....
Everything seemed to be going to plan, the twin star landed safely on the seal, and we were sequenced nicely behind the student in the 172 going for the grass. It wasn't until we turned final we noticed the 172 ahead of us had spotted the big shiny PAPI's and figured they were actually for marking the threshold of the grass runway and had lined himself up nicely on those and promptly landed dead set in between the sealed and grass runways and stopped. At this point the supervising controller took over and asked the 172 pilot to stay put (laughter was audible in the background from everyone inside the tower) and we landed safely beside the other two aircraft on the actual grass runway.
I think a pretty good illustration that a trainee pilot can cause just as many head-aches for controllers as trainee controllers can for pilots when both are under a heavy workload. Despite what could have developed into a very serious mess, everyone stayed calm and retained their "sense of ha ha" and all ended well. Panic and raised voices would have achieved nothing.
I have always found ATC at HN to be very accomodating even when under a heavy work load, would be nice if some (not all) of their colleagues in AA would take a leaf out of their book from time to time.
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Bay are guilty of alot of things but not on that occasion. I'm saying we were changed to HN twr only to be changed again by the controller to another at 5nm. This has happened more than once, given not as much now as it use to. Believe me there wouldn't be to many crews who wouldn't prompt at 10nm so I can assure you the way you read my statement is wrong
Controllers need to be trained and perhaps hams is a good place for it (not my place to argue where is and isn't) but they really need to have a good knowledge of aircraft capabilities before been thrown in the chair. This is a problem which Airways need to look at and perhaps drum into trainees before they come out of the school and go into towers. (20 tonne aircraft can not go from 245kias to min approach in 5 nm)
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Bay are guilty of alot of things but not on that occasion. I'm saying we were changed to HN twr only to be changed again by the controller to another at 5nm. This has happened more than once, given not as much now as it use to. Believe me there wouldn't be to many crews who wouldn't prompt at 10nm so I can assure you the way you read my statement is wrong
Controllers need to be trained and perhaps hams is a good place for it (not my place to argue where is and isn't) but they really need to have a good knowledge of aircraft capabilities before been thrown in the chair. This is a problem which Airways need to look at and perhaps drum into trainees before they come out of the school and go into towers. (20 tonne aircraft can not go from 245kias to min approach in 5 nm)
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Yeh...that was the modus operandi before we shifted to the single freq in the CTR last year sometime...if it happened recently it MAY have been when the extra position wwas being opened or closed...we usually try to organise it in relatively low traffic periods when it will effect the least amount of traffic...maybe in this instance the controllers just needed to open/close the extra position and you just happened to be caught in the middle??? Again hard to comment unless I knew all the facts...let's just hope your comment
means that it was an exception rather than the current rule!!
Couldn't agree more with the reduced aircraft knowledge stuff.
not as much as it used to
Couldn't agree more with the reduced aircraft knowledge stuff.
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What are the problems with having GA circuit traffic operate in a circut west of the runway and the scheduled and twin traffic operate in a circuit on the eastern side rather than using the crossing grass? I dont have to sperate them myself but would have thought the guys and girls upstairs would find it easier?
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Hey kinda off topic, kinda
A few weeks back my band was playing at a beach resort in NZ and three English CTC guys turned up with nowhere to stay. I put them up at my place for the night. Funnily enough my guitarist has a PPL and i've almost finished training for a microlight license so we ended up talking for ages after and in the morning. My only lesson to go is flying into a controlled airfield which i'm doing at hamilton tomorrow then i'll be doing my revision and flight test within the next few days
Anyway........ in case those guys read this, my band is playing in hamilton at fatbellies saturday night and it would be great to catch up again. If they or anyone that knows them reads this please give them a heads up
www.agent99band.co.nz
philip
A few weeks back my band was playing at a beach resort in NZ and three English CTC guys turned up with nowhere to stay. I put them up at my place for the night. Funnily enough my guitarist has a PPL and i've almost finished training for a microlight license so we ended up talking for ages after and in the morning. My only lesson to go is flying into a controlled airfield which i'm doing at hamilton tomorrow then i'll be doing my revision and flight test within the next few days
Anyway........ in case those guys read this, my band is playing in hamilton at fatbellies saturday night and it would be great to catch up again. If they or anyone that knows them reads this please give them a heads up
www.agent99band.co.nz
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I personally have never really had any problems with the '2 frequency' issues mentioned here. (Generally it's a case of just follwing the prescribed procedures in the AIP'S, or just following hand-over instructions?)
And I can honestly say, without bias, that the HN ATCO's are extremely efficient and helpful, and have had no problems dealing with them. They seem to cope well with the busy periods at least! I reckon one of the best, if not the best regional towers to deal with.
H3000
And I can honestly say, without bias, that the HN ATCO's are extremely efficient and helpful, and have had no problems dealing with them. They seem to cope well with the busy periods at least! I reckon one of the best, if not the best regional towers to deal with.
H3000
What are the problems with having GA circuit traffic operate in a circut west of the runway and the scheduled and twin traffic operate in a circuit on the eastern side rather than using the crossing grass?
Do tell!! We have always been open to suggestions, and still are, but when actually asked what needs changing most go silent!! The stage is yours
My 2 cents worth for improving things are to have one airborne frequency and have the frequency status on th ATIS. You say that single airborne frequency has happened, I wasn't aware of that, I usually operate into Hamilton IFR so probably wouldn't notice the change. If the ASTIS thing can be done, then I think it will be about as good as it can get.
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I wonder where they plan on getting instructors from.....
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CTC Aviation Group plc was established in the early 1990's to provide training and management services to the highest airline industry standards. In April 2005 we opened a brand new, purpose-built pilot training and accommodation centre at Hamilton International Airport. With Group headquarters and three further Training Centres in the UK, CTC is an expanding, global operation.
We are confident in the future - both of the commercial aviation industry worldwide and our ability to grow and continue delivering high quality services tailored to the needs of our airline partners around the world.
We currently have great career opportunities available for Full Time Ground Instructors. In this role you will be responsible for assisting students by providing high quality tuition, preparing tuition material, and reporting in line with our world class training standards.
Previous experience as a flight instructor and /or operational airline experience are essential. Ideally you will hold exam passes in all NZCAA ATPL theory subjects. Excellent computer skills are required, along with excellent communication skills with the ability to liaise with students and management in a dynamic and challenging environment.
A competitive salary is offered alongside training and development opportunities and excellent career potential.
If you are interested in joining one of the most exciting and innovative flight training companies in the world please apply by emailing your CV
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