Griffith Bachelor of Aviation

[j3pipercub]

You could choose to do either, I did the last 18 months externally in order to work, but if you are in brisbane that doesn't stop you from going to lectures. The best idea if available is to do the CPL thoery before the end of the 1st year so then you can almsot start knocking off the ATP's once you've done the subjects at uni, witha little help from Nathan higgins books or the like. Sure beats having to take time off from work to do a full time course.

[Hawksley]

oh WEEZYTHEf, " keep hearing the mentioning of this hecs BS but no one has ever shown any evidence, not even the slightest of it" have you even done a search under this subject anywhere??? as of 2008 your flying training can be paid for under the FEE-HELP program if you do the grad dip in flight management along with the bachelor of aviation degree at griffith, however CASA Fees and theory fees must be paid for by the student. Do some research before you make such bold comments haha

some evidence:
What is the cost of the Bachelor's Degree and Graduate Diploma Program?

The anticipated University tuition fees for the 2008 Cadets undertaking the Bachelor's Degree is approximately $16,000 for the Bachelor's Degree component. Students may wish to use the Federal Government's HECS-HELP Scheme to offset these costs.
The cost of University tuition fees for the Graduate Diploma will be approximately $80,000. Cadets may wish to use the Federal Government's FEE-HELP Scheme to offset a large portion of the up-front costs of the Graduate Diploma. Whilst utilising FEE-HELP a Graduate Diploma Cadet could expect to offset up to $80,000. This includes but is not limited to the cost of University tuition fees for the Graduate Diploma including flight training competencies.
For additional information relating to FEE-HELP and other fees that may be incurred outside FEE-HELP, please see the information further below.
What expenses will I incur outside that available through FEE-HELP?

There is a list of University administrative and miscellaneous charges which students may incur during their university career on the Griffith website.
Other expenses a student may incur include:

• Selection assessment costs
• The cost of all theory linked to Pilot Licences and Ratings
• Flight test costs
• CASA exams
• Textbooks related to CASA exams and University courses
• Accommodation costs

Information regarding the exact cost for these items will be available from the approved Flight Training Organisation or the University. Other unforeseen expenses may occur from time to time.
Is financial assistance available?

Flight Training is a component of the Bachelor's Degree and Graduate Diploma Program. It is at the discretion of the individual how the Program is paid for, however, eligible students may wish to use FEE-HELP to assist with the payment. FEE-HELP is a loan available to eligible students to cover the tuition fee.
Whilst utilising FEE-HELP a Cadet could expect to offset up to $80,000. This includes but is not limited to the cost of University tuition fees for the Graduate Diploma including flight training competencies.
For information regarding FEE-HELP eligibility, please see the DEST Going to Uni website.


from : http://www.qantas.com.au/info/about/...detGraduatedip

[Aussie]

J3pipercub

Gday mate, thanks for the head up....

Also, any idea if the last 3 semesters can be completed extenally and more importantly overseas... Also the 1500hrs and ATPL req, does that count if u Have a JAA ATPL and 1500hrs?

Cheers

[jbr76]

[VH-JPS]

Weezy.
Mate. Stop now. You're killing the little credit you had left.
Just because Daddies a skipper, does not give you any wisdom on anything mate. I mean, just look at your grammar. Im pretty sure you have heard of a few people who want to do the "4+ year degree", just look at the forum your slurring absolute sh*t in. And 4+ years? You must have the best imagination ever. Stop wasting valuable space in the Aviation Industry and go be and artist or something. People don't want you hijacking threads and causing ****.

[Hawksley]

weez.. i believe you said "your living in a dream..." "There's no hecs for flying anywhere and if you have some evidence then please provide" and i did and know your saying you cant find anyone who would want to do it??? hahah make up your mind about what your trying to argue. Oh and the degree itself is 3 years.. nice research.

[Hawksley]

you do the grad dip over the three years on top of your other degree requirements

[Dragun]

weezythef is not interested in the weakness of this forum where arguments and personal opinions seem to turn into throw and bag games all the time and is herefore leaving pprune for good effective immediately

Thank God for that - the last thing anyone really wants on here is another person who knows nothing about everything.

Good riddance.

[j3pipercub]

Nah guyz youse has it all wrong ya dig!!! yeah, ok, good one dude, even funnier when he says he has no intention of joining Q. HA! nearly fell of my chair laughing.

Good riddance dude, with all this time wasted on Prune, you're just delaying your May deadline to get all your CPL subjects done, and that's even WITH daddy paying you to go to the ground theory courses! It really wasn't a good move telling everyone your old man is a QF Skipper, if you had been in the industry 'all your life'

j3

PS

OH WEEZ, Still know you'll be reading this, even if you don't reply. So just in answer to your little points

A) JUST COS THE OLD MAN IS A QF SKIPPER DOESN'T MEAN YOU KNOW A THING, IN FACT YOU'RE PROBABLY FURTHER REMOVED FROM THE REAL WORLD, BUT IT'S OK, I'M SURE HE'LL GET YOU A JOB FLYING A BARON OR SOMETHING AS YOUR FIRST JOB. NAH HE WOULDN'T - YOU'LL BE A CADET

B) YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T DO YOUR RESEARCH, THAT IS BLEEDINGLY OBVIOUS

C) WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE YOU WRONG, YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF FROM POST TO POST

D) YOU WILL JOIN QANTAS, IT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS

E) WHAT'S WITH THE THIRD PERSON POST? OH, NEVERMIND, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS

MMMMMMMMMMM END THIS POST J3 NOW WILL MMMMMMMMMMM

j3

[clear to land]

Aussie, I am in the sandpit and doing the GU degree completely on line - with associated credit for experience (50% so 12 subjects to complete from commencement). Email them(Griffith - look up school of aviation contacts from website ) they are very helpful. Subjects around $AU900 each.

[172capt]

I would tend to agree with weezythef with his statement that:

"QF cadets are doing the same course as you, that puts you in a fair position to just pass the selections and get into the cadetship workplacement."

I know that the Airline Academy at archerfield offers full time cadet style training, and from my dealings with the organisation they offer a professional and experienced team. But i have heard they may have dealings with qantas (and their cadet program) in the near future, so as to draw comparisions there as far as training similarities are concerned...

I also have friends involved with the bachelor of aviation and they stand by the fact that they would much rather jump straight into a full time program, the airlines need pilots now, positions which will be filled by the time a four year degree is finished.

Then again i am a little biased...

[Aussie]

Clear to land

Thanks for the info mate! So they credit you 50%... wasnt sure if that was true or not! How are you finding it? In between a job and doing it externally as well? Your 39 and in an airline....? WHat do you hope to achieve from it? Im guessing you already have the job so the degree wont be helping you get that!?

Thanks

[clear to land]

Aussie, check your pm's. CTL.

[miss_pilot]

weezythef,

You retard, it pretty much all goes on fee-help, like that other person said. The degree is an invaluable experience to learn things you would never learn at just a flight training school, and meet more people in the industry than im sure not even your daddy knows. Say for instance how many times has he had dinner with Chris Manning? Don't say that it isn't a benefit doing this degree, it has already opened up jobs in the industry for myself and many other people in my year.

And it is only 3 years with the bachelor of aviation and grad dip. Still want to argue that? Im doing it.

I sincerely hope that i never, ever end up sitting next to someone as stupid and ignorant as you on the flight deck, although considering your clear lack of brains judging by your inability to do any research and use any grammer, im assuming that you will never make it that far.

[Macarto]

I don't quite understand how does the bachelor of Aviation course which offers a degree can incorporate flying at the same time with a CPL of 200 hours. How is it that we find time to fly and study concurrently. Are the flying schools within the university campus and are the planes own by them. Or are the approved flying clubs responsible for this training and it is up to the individual to earn his CPL at his own pace with the club in that 3 years. What if during that 3 years, you did very well and got your degree and are offered an honours but you have not complete your CPL at that time and will not be able to complete it after your studies in the university?

Please advise particularly students who have gone through the course over at Griffith University.

[Ozzie Mozzie]

With the current setup, students start flying in second year and get their gfpt by the end of that year. during second year you would ideally smash 5 subjects a semester and that will mean that you would... hell, i cant be stuffed, go to the uni website and have a look: Griffith University | Bachelor of Aviation - Nathan

[Ozzie Mozzie]

actually, in fairness that doesn't cover the flying that well. If you want FEE-HELP, you have to fly at AAA (or maybe RQAC as well), which is a shame IMO as it seems unnecessarily expensive, but there you are. As above, you would go through to GFPT by the end of second year and then do PPL and CPL in your third year, and you have the choice of doing an instructors rating or MECIR. In an ideal world, you would be finished with the flying training about 6 months after university studies.

[millonario]

Be careful!

Be very careful with the Bachelor of Aviation from Griffith University. It looks great on paper, but unfortunately the reality is not quite what you would expect. Firstly, they claim it to be a 3 year degree. Now think to yourselves how that is possible considering you are doing a full-time degree with at least 40-50cp a semester on top of completing your professional flight training. Oh, and all the airplanes are always booked out anyways and students rarely get a PPL before their 3rd year. You then won't graduate and have to enroll at your local flying school full-time and eventually obtain your degree and pilot qualifications after 5 years, spending more of your pocket money on rent/food while working at Starbucks rather than FLYING. Furthermore, it won't get you any closer into guarantying a job in an airline. All these courses that Griffith provide don't mean sh*t when getting an interview. If anything, the Bachelor of Aviation will delay your flying progress and make you do remedial flights over and over again in response to having a huge workload at uni. So, are you really saving money? Well, it is understandable that many Australians choose this method because of FEE-HELP, but remember you are taking LOANS and on top of that, you will have to work your butt off for 5 years not to get evicted from your flat. So let's summarize this in a bit more detail:

* It will take 5 years for you to be ready for a job
* By the time you reach your CPL stage of flying, you might have already been at the controls of a jet.
* You will walk away without a job guarantee and 120,000 Dollar debt in tuition fees
* Forget about having a social life as you will have to work weekends and night shifts just to get by
* The psychological pressures as a consequence of the hardships you will have to endure might have a chronic effect on your well-being.
* A high margin for giving up and walking away

The only good thing I personally have ever experienced through this degree are the fellow students I met along the way and the guest speakers who the aviation school invited from time to time. Other than that, I have nothing good to say about aviation@griffith.

I would however like to stress the importance of obtaining a degree. Your journey through university will allow you to meet all kinds of people, experience hardships that will make you stronger, and eventually obtain a university qualification that might open a lot of doors for you in case you don't make it as a pilot. However, the Bachelor of Aviation is as good as toilet paper, so maybe consider studying something that will be of more use such as business, economics or general sciences.....

Also, if you are an international student, STAY AWAY by all means as converting you license will be a nightmare and you might have problems obtaining a new visa if you don't finish within the 3 year time-frame. How fun would that be after reaching the half-way mark?

By the way, I did graduate from the Bachelor of Aviation and I am working now. However, I hope no one get's fooled and have to endure the hardships I had to go through. It is not worth it and remember that there are many better options out there!

Good luck with everything and always keep the dream alive!

[PyroTek]

Quick update for those who are interested, did the 150 hour CPL course through a small flying school, I am pleased I took this route. I have a few friends who are currently in Aviation@Grifftafe. I hear that flying is being pushed back by a year or so due to the amount of students. There are other details but I won't canvas them here.

[SpaceMonkey29]

Hi there,

I'm a current Griffith Aviation student and I'd have to say I agree 95% with millonaro. The degree (especially the flight training component) seems very unorganized and "up in the air" if you'd excuse the pun.

However, like millonaro mentioned the huge benefit of doing the degree is the amount of industry professionals you meet. I've been fortunate enough to meet people like A380 pilot Richard de Crespigny; the Captain onboard the Qantas A380 who's engine blew whilst departing Singapore last year. Also was fortunate enough to meet Red Bull Air Race pilot Matt Hall, the CEO of CASA Captain John McCormick and a few other well known aviators through circumstances made possible by Griffith.

On top of that most of the lecturers are top notch as well. So there's no doubt that there's quality education available.

The main downfall of the Griffith program is the lack of communication between the students and the people running it. For example, in my case they delayed around 150 student's flight training for a year, only 2 weeks before it was due to start, without any prior notice. A lot of students had made sacrifices in preparation for training only to be told, "sorry, next year". One can only be so tolerant.

So in my point of view, the degree has its fair share of positives (meeting industry professionals, great lecturers/quality education, making loads of friends etc.) but you really do need a decent raincoat as you will get shat on a fair few times.

Best of luck with the flying!