3000 Planes Grounded
Has nobody noticed that within the AD, there is no requirement, or even a polite request, to notify CASA of all the loose plugs found in this oh-so-critical-let's-ground-a shirtload-of-planes AD, so CASA has absolutely no way to collect data on this! They will never know if none, one, or a hundred were found.
can someone explain just what the problem is
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Hey Spanner, you want to know why some folk will pay $140 to get their Beamer serviced? Its probably because they get VALUE for it!
Here's an example. Took my plane to LAME 1 for a minor exhaust mount repair. Lots of sharp intakes of breath and oh dear cannot do that now, will take a lot messing around, will be at least 1/2 day, plus parts, plus plus plus -oh and cannot do it for at least a week. Can I fly the plane in the meantime? Well, not really, but that's up to you.
Go to LAME 2. Yeah mate, no worries will be about 1/2 an hour, will do it now - a little bit of fabrication and literally 5 minutes labour to remove and replace and I was on my way!
There are some type 2's but far too many type 1's - and too many times are we conned by them. I cannot tell you how many times I've left an aircraft on trust, to be told it will take (say) a day, only to find they get stuck straight into it so there's no possibility of you removing your dissassembled property - and then it just sits there - maybe for a week - or a month. In contrast. your BMW dealer , does what he said he would, for the fixed price set by the factory, in the time he said he would. That's why folk pay $140/hour. Its called honest, professional service!
Here's an example. Took my plane to LAME 1 for a minor exhaust mount repair. Lots of sharp intakes of breath and oh dear cannot do that now, will take a lot messing around, will be at least 1/2 day, plus parts, plus plus plus -oh and cannot do it for at least a week. Can I fly the plane in the meantime? Well, not really, but that's up to you.
Go to LAME 2. Yeah mate, no worries will be about 1/2 an hour, will do it now - a little bit of fabrication and literally 5 minutes labour to remove and replace and I was on my way!
There are some type 2's but far too many type 1's - and too many times are we conned by them. I cannot tell you how many times I've left an aircraft on trust, to be told it will take (say) a day, only to find they get stuck straight into it so there's no possibility of you removing your dissassembled property - and then it just sits there - maybe for a week - or a month. In contrast. your BMW dealer , does what he said he would, for the fixed price set by the factory, in the time he said he would. That's why folk pay $140/hour. Its called honest, professional service!
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Hi thunderbird five ,your freindly LAME is required report all defects found whilst carrying out any AD in the form of service difficulty report found online at the CASA website.
these are then printed in the next crash comic and also online at the CASA website.
The aircraft numbers involved are actually very small as its only those whose fuel injector servo has been new, replaced /overhauled since mid last year.
Most aircraft with these model servos fitted were eliminated by a quick check of the engine log book.
these are then printed in the next crash comic and also online at the CASA website.
The aircraft numbers involved are actually very small as its only those whose fuel injector servo has been new, replaced /overhauled since mid last year.
Most aircraft with these model servos fitted were eliminated by a quick check of the engine log book.
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can someone explain just what the problem is
service bulletin.
TH
This thread has missed a few points.
Firstly, the Precision Airmotive Mandatory Service Bulletin was released on March 6. CASA released its AD on March 13. If it really is this urgent why did they wait for 7 days? The press statement refered to overnight developments. CASA must be imagining this. Or is overnight = 7 days in their time frame?
Secondly, it only affects injected engines rebuilt or servo's rebuilt after 22 Aug 2006. I'm guessing the CASA figure of 3,000 aircraft is all injected piston aircraft. If engines are rebuilt (on average) at 10 years, then it will be less than 600 aircraft that will are affected. Using the 3,000 figure can only be a grab for sensationalism by CASA.
Thirdly, Precision airmotive say there have been 2 incidents. Where did CASA get the other 16? see: http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Pu...107%20Rev1.pdf
Fourthly, CASA AD/FSM/31 says no repositioning will be allowed, but the next day they allow repositioning if pilots make the simple check that Precision Airmotive detail in their MSB.
Exactly what are CASA on? Are they just feeling neglected and wanted to get press attention? Or are they really as incompetent as this makes them look? How much has it cost us for them to repeat the Precion MSB in a fractured way that then required amendment?
Firstly, the Precision Airmotive Mandatory Service Bulletin was released on March 6. CASA released its AD on March 13. If it really is this urgent why did they wait for 7 days? The press statement refered to overnight developments. CASA must be imagining this. Or is overnight = 7 days in their time frame?
Secondly, it only affects injected engines rebuilt or servo's rebuilt after 22 Aug 2006. I'm guessing the CASA figure of 3,000 aircraft is all injected piston aircraft. If engines are rebuilt (on average) at 10 years, then it will be less than 600 aircraft that will are affected. Using the 3,000 figure can only be a grab for sensationalism by CASA.
Thirdly, Precision airmotive say there have been 2 incidents. Where did CASA get the other 16? see: http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Pu...107%20Rev1.pdf
Fourthly, CASA AD/FSM/31 says no repositioning will be allowed, but the next day they allow repositioning if pilots make the simple check that Precision Airmotive detail in their MSB.
Exactly what are CASA on? Are they just feeling neglected and wanted to get press attention? Or are they really as incompetent as this makes them look? How much has it cost us for them to repeat the Precion MSB in a fractured way that then required amendment?
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Aaawwww sheeeet,
I've been flying around all day and now find out that my engine should have stopped. Well, I don't watch the telly much... too busy... the paper arrives once a week and the radio doesn't work out here as the Govt wont repair the transmitter.
Oh well I'll get my pair of fencing pliers out and the hammer.... see if I can fix it...... wish me luck.
Oh ..... our LAME is on a 4 week holiday and no one is able to get here as they are grounded also.
I've been flying around all day and now find out that my engine should have stopped. Well, I don't watch the telly much... too busy... the paper arrives once a week and the radio doesn't work out here as the Govt wont repair the transmitter.
Oh well I'll get my pair of fencing pliers out and the hammer.... see if I can fix it...... wish me luck.
Oh ..... our LAME is on a 4 week holiday and no one is able to get here as they are grounded also.
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FWIW it took us about 15min per aeroplane (three needing to be looked at) to do the required inspection yesterday morning, while waiting for the fog to lift.
Admittedly we were at Camden where an engineer was on site by 0700 so that made things decidedly easier.
Admittedly we were at Camden where an engineer was on site by 0700 so that made things decidedly easier.
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Notwithstanding the exemption to reposition, AD/FSM/31 clearly states this AD can only be carried out and signed for by a LAME. Requirement number 2 is repeating requirement number 1 (by a LAME), at every oil change or within 50 hours of engine run time whichever occurs first.
Does this mean an Owner/ Operator of those aircraft now in the focus must now have oil changes done only by a LAME?
Does this mean an Owner/ Operator of those aircraft now in the focus must now have oil changes done only by a LAME?
every 50 hours? That's odd!
The Precision service bulletin says:
then it goes on to say:
Well, am I being stupid, or is there a solution to the problem in there somewhere? Why would you not reinstate the old gasket material? More to the point, why was it changed without sufficient testing to verify its suitability?
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Precision Airmotive has determined that the gasket...
...can shrink from engine heat which can cause the hex plug to lose torque against the regulator cover. The material in these gaskets was changed beginning August 22, 2006 and the gaskets that have been identified as experiencinig shrinkage were all comprised of the new gasket material
...can shrink from engine heat which can cause the hex plug to lose torque against the regulator cover. The material in these gaskets was changed beginning August 22, 2006 and the gaskets that have been identified as experiencinig shrinkage were all comprised of the new gasket material
Continued Action Required: Until a long term solution is found, continue periodic inspections to determine if the hex plug is loose
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The key words are "continuous action/ long term solution".
AD cancelling sealed struts solved one problem world wide but what will it take to cancell this one? In the meantime perhaps only LAME"s can sign a daily inspection or an oil change?
The concept of replacing a gasket with a proven one is too simplistic, can't we make this more difficult?
AD cancelling sealed struts solved one problem world wide but what will it take to cancell this one? In the meantime perhaps only LAME"s can sign a daily inspection or an oil change?
The concept of replacing a gasket with a proven one is too simplistic, can't we make this more difficult?
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Bob Murphy asked Does this mean an Owner/ Operator of those aircraft now in the focus must now have oil changes done only by a LAME?
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For the size-challenged brains...(otherwise known as "To Whom It May Concern")
Take the time to read the FAA AD, released 24 hours before CASA's version, then perhaps you will rethink the Aus AD.
CASA has taken every step to facilitate owners/operators. ie positioning flights, and PIC inspections, both of which the FAA have not allowed.
I know it seems like a sport to abuse CASA and its staff, but put the shoe on the other foot, and imagine the abuse they would get if a bug-smasher landed the middle of Parramatta/St Kilda with a fuel servo problem...
On another note, I would like to see the statistics, ie number inspected, failure rate etc. In this case, the SDR isn't enough.
Take the time to read the FAA AD, released 24 hours before CASA's version, then perhaps you will rethink the Aus AD.
CASA has taken every step to facilitate owners/operators. ie positioning flights, and PIC inspections, both of which the FAA have not allowed.
I know it seems like a sport to abuse CASA and its staff, but put the shoe on the other foot, and imagine the abuse they would get if a bug-smasher landed the middle of Parramatta/St Kilda with a fuel servo problem...
On another note, I would like to see the statistics, ie number inspected, failure rate etc. In this case, the SDR isn't enough.
Bureaucracy Gone Mad.
I have carefully read the CASA Exemption and note that it contains approximately 40 paragraphs, depending on how you count them, most of which is ass covering legal bull****, to coin a term.
In essence, it states, according to my feeble intellect.
1. Determine if you have one of these devices on an engine on your aircraft.
2.If you do, then as a pilot, wiggle it both ways with your fingers and check the lockwires.
3. If it's not loose after doing step (2) you may make the shortest and most direct positioning flight to the closest place where a LAME can check it properly, obeying regulations on the way.
4. Flight must be with minimum crew from which written informed consent has been received. No business purpose for the flight.
Why has the practice of Aviation regulation been contaminated with such stunningly inefficient, time consuming, wasteful, prolix, obtuse, and no doubt highly expensive legal bull**** contained in the other 36 paras?
In essence, it states, according to my feeble intellect.
1. Determine if you have one of these devices on an engine on your aircraft.
2.If you do, then as a pilot, wiggle it both ways with your fingers and check the lockwires.
3. If it's not loose after doing step (2) you may make the shortest and most direct positioning flight to the closest place where a LAME can check it properly, obeying regulations on the way.
4. Flight must be with minimum crew from which written informed consent has been received. No business purpose for the flight.
Why has the practice of Aviation regulation been contaminated with such stunningly inefficient, time consuming, wasteful, prolix, obtuse, and no doubt highly expensive legal bull**** contained in the other 36 paras?
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Why has the practice of Aviation regulation been contaminated with such stunningly inefficient, time consuming, wasteful, prolix, obtuse, and no doubt highly expensive legal bull****?
Hence CASA will go to any length to cover their arses and bugger the rest of us!!
Thanks Bentleg.
