C172 V Cherokee
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C172 V Cherokee
Ok guys gals would like to hear from those of you out there that own either of the subject headings so I can be more informed as to which I should purchase. Am thinking of becoming poor by owning a plane
I don't want the ex to get another cent !
I've been out of touch for a while as to their operating costs so what better way than to start here to be learned!
I've flown both types over the years & found both have their + & -'s.
Would like to know what a basic 100 hrly is costing those owners these days & insurance costs. Fuel costs are not a problem as that you can't get around.
Say spending around $70K for either.
Tnxs bro's
CW
I don't want the ex to get another cent !
I've been out of touch for a while as to their operating costs so what better way than to start here to be learned!
I've flown both types over the years & found both have their + & -'s.
Would like to know what a basic 100 hrly is costing those owners these days & insurance costs. Fuel costs are not a problem as that you can't get around.
Say spending around $70K for either.
Tnxs bro's
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PM me with your email address, I have some interesting spreadsheets that are easily updated.
Might have some other thoughts for you too....
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PM me with your email address, I have some interesting spreadsheets that are easily updated.
Might have some other thoughts for you too....
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Sprocket Check, I guess my main reason for preferring low wing aircraft is visibility, you always seem to be peering out from under the wings all day in a cessna. I fly a mixture of high and low wing aircraft on a daily basis and would choose an archer/warrior over a 172 any day if I had the choice. Each to their own though I suppose....
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Ok guys interesting thoughts so far, tnxs.
Not for private hire, just my own 'toy'. Time for "ME" time!
I am aware of the 3X 'F's, but I'm now happy to hand over money to a different 'mistress'
I like the C172 for outback flying 'cause of the high wing, good for shade good for viewing. I also like the low wing 'cause they feel more rugged, would be ablt to take more punishment I feel. I used to work as an AME about a hundred years ago on both types & found the Cherokee simpler in some area's. I like two doors, but once yr in makes no diff. I like the mech flaps of the cherokee for 'instant' lift off should it get 'tight' at the last minute.
'Bev' I too like the Tabago in fact I used to assit in getting them flight ready back in the late 70's when they came into this country when I did a stint with Exec's at YMEN. But there a little over priced for what they are, personal choice that's all.
Ok 'jaba' shall pm you, hope it don't hurt tho !
So shall continue the research via here & other places
again tnxs so far
CW
Not for private hire, just my own 'toy'. Time for "ME" time!
I am aware of the 3X 'F's, but I'm now happy to hand over money to a different 'mistress'
I like the C172 for outback flying 'cause of the high wing, good for shade good for viewing. I also like the low wing 'cause they feel more rugged, would be ablt to take more punishment I feel. I used to work as an AME about a hundred years ago on both types & found the Cherokee simpler in some area's. I like two doors, but once yr in makes no diff. I like the mech flaps of the cherokee for 'instant' lift off should it get 'tight' at the last minute.
'Bev' I too like the Tabago in fact I used to assit in getting them flight ready back in the late 70's when they came into this country when I did a stint with Exec's at YMEN. But there a little over priced for what they are, personal choice that's all.
Ok 'jaba' shall pm you, hope it don't hurt tho !
So shall continue the research via here & other places
again tnxs so far
CW
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hey Dr who said anything about going IFR?, too damn scarey for me buddy
I want a plane to have fun with not to have to own the Wells Fargo Co.just to start her up!
But ty for yr kind thoughts there Dr, am sure you would hire me yr Bo if I where closer & for very little !
I used to fly a Bo for it's owner a few times to reposition it for him when it was IFR conditions. In those days i was just too naive to know better but at my more mature age I have a choice now !
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I want a plane to have fun with not to have to own the Wells Fargo Co.just to start her up!
But ty for yr kind thoughts there Dr, am sure you would hire me yr Bo if I where closer & for very little !
I used to fly a Bo for it's owner a few times to reposition it for him when it was IFR conditions. In those days i was just too naive to know better but at my more mature age I have a choice now !
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High wing vs low wing ... the only older argument in the world is who didn't get the council permit for Noah's Ark!
C172s are, as noted previously, great for cross-country because you can see more below you, but an Archer will generally do the trip in shorter time. Don't be scared off by thoughts that an Archer is less rugged; I've operated Archers into some goat tracks and never had a problem provided I didn't botch the landing. The nice big wing on the Archer helps generate heaps of lift when you're facing hot, heavy and short - such as on the north/south runway at Noccundra.
In the so-often unstable air of inland QLD, the extra diherdral on the low wings helps with the stability and makes for a more comfortable ride. One area where the C172 has it over the Archer is ventilation. Taxiing to the far end of BDV in 37 degrees in an Archer is sweaty stuff even with the pax holding the door open. On the C172 you just open the windows and enjoy the breeze from the fan. Not so good with the dust, though.
My general opinion is that the PA28-180 is a beautiful tourer in most respects ... if you don't have a Bonza, of course.
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C172s are, as noted previously, great for cross-country because you can see more below you, but an Archer will generally do the trip in shorter time. Don't be scared off by thoughts that an Archer is less rugged; I've operated Archers into some goat tracks and never had a problem provided I didn't botch the landing. The nice big wing on the Archer helps generate heaps of lift when you're facing hot, heavy and short - such as on the north/south runway at Noccundra.
In the so-often unstable air of inland QLD, the extra diherdral on the low wings helps with the stability and makes for a more comfortable ride. One area where the C172 has it over the Archer is ventilation. Taxiing to the far end of BDV in 37 degrees in an Archer is sweaty stuff even with the pax holding the door open. On the C172 you just open the windows and enjoy the breeze from the fan. Not so good with the dust, though.
My general opinion is that the PA28-180 is a beautiful tourer in most respects ... if you don't have a Bonza, of course.
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2 Seater - Practically anything from the RV range.
4 Seater - RV10 or J430.
If it's yours, don't bother paying LAME's rates for no reason.
Interested to see J430's spreadsheet....
4 Seater - RV10 or J430.
If it's yours, don't bother paying LAME's rates for no reason.
Interested to see J430's spreadsheet....
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On a serious note wal, see if you can find an older 172 (a to h) with a lycoming fitted (best of both worlds)
the older cessnas corrode way less than say an m or n. (n have a h2ad piece o **** up front as well) you might pick up a nice d model with good time to run on a converted lycoming for around 50k.
On the cherokee side try a 180 or 235 for about 60k (mid time donk)
From an engineering perspective a cherokee will be a tad more expensive to maintain than a cessna, but this is hardly a significant factor to consider when purchasing an aircraft,
Rule #1 MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE AIRCRAFT YOU BUY LOOKED AT BY THE LAME THAT WILL BE MAINTAINING IT.
the older cessnas corrode way less than say an m or n. (n have a h2ad piece o **** up front as well) you might pick up a nice d model with good time to run on a converted lycoming for around 50k.
On the cherokee side try a 180 or 235 for about 60k (mid time donk)
From an engineering perspective a cherokee will be a tad more expensive to maintain than a cessna, but this is hardly a significant factor to consider when purchasing an aircraft,
Rule #1 MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE AIRCRAFT YOU BUY LOOKED AT BY THE LAME THAT WILL BE MAINTAINING IT.
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Famous aviation quote no. 674
"I suggest you either take up parachute jumping, or stay out of single engine aircraft at night!"
Can also be applied to IMC. Solution... Cirrus (CAPS)
My personal choice would be a PA28 airframe, but I don't have much 172 time. Any reason you're after a fixed gear fixed pitch? I reckon the Arrow is probably the nicest piston single I've ever flown.
Ah yes and the Tobago, the only aircraft I can think of where I have never seen a RoD less than 1000fpm in BEST GLIDE
. That's clean too.
"I suggest you either take up parachute jumping, or stay out of single engine aircraft at night!"
Can also be applied to IMC. Solution... Cirrus (CAPS)
My personal choice would be a PA28 airframe, but I don't have much 172 time. Any reason you're after a fixed gear fixed pitch? I reckon the Arrow is probably the nicest piston single I've ever flown.
Ah yes and the Tobago, the only aircraft I can think of where I have never seen a RoD less than 1000fpm in BEST GLIDE
. That's clean too.