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Old 8th Mar 2008, 05:21
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From The Age careers section 08 Mar 08.

Have tried to search online to copy and paste it as a quote but can't find it.

"Wind beneath their wings - Demand for trained pilots is soaring reports Justin Wastnage [email protected]"

"It's considered one of the most glamorous professions on the planet. If you believe the hype, commercial airline pilots spend their days among the clouds, jetting from one exotic place to the next. They enjoy public admiration and respect and can earn up to $350,000a year.
And yet there is a shortage of applicants for pilot jobs. Ian Woods president of AIPA says he is suprised aspiring pilots are not crushed in the rush for jobs with airlines."

It goes on to say inter alia about the Rex cadetship and how it is 100 or 50% paid for depending upon academic merit. "The gold standard is still the Qantas cadet pilot programme".

It is a little skewed in the fact their is no mention that it takes a fair while to reach the level of $350k p.a. if it does actually go that high (I am way off). I guess it is like saying actors make $10m a movie.

But hey public admiration and respect....insert smart arse/tongue in cheek comment about if managers were of the same ilk!
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Old 8th Mar 2008, 05:49
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Smile

It's considered one of the most glamorous professions on the planet.
Sorry mate, the Age got pilots mixed up with flight attendants

Media strikes again!
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Shortage

Those kind of articles make great headlines for journos trying to get in the first few pages of the paper. It looks to me like we're still awhile away from a shortage though. Still plenty of CPL's working at Servos and Bottleshops. Perhaps more accurate to call it a shortage of guys with turbine time?
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email sent.
Dear Justin Wastnage,
Iam writing to you in regards to the article you have written in the age on the 8/3/08.After reading that uninformed and almost completely unfactual article, I was somewhat frustrated.As a journalist, one should gather correct information to atleast be in fair knowledge of the topic.right?
What you have written was totally off-course, for example stating that it is strange that there is a shortage of applicants for Pilot jobs and that it is known to be one of the most respected and glamorous careers on the planet.Have you ever cocidered the amount of time,effort,money and sacrifice one has to make to get to an airline job, IF EVER they are blessed enough to fly jets.Freshly qualified Pilots spend anything from $55-$90k to get their qualifications to then have to move north and look for anything and I mean anything or anyone that will let them fly a plane for peanuts.People have to leave their families or take them up north which sometimes doesn't work out too well, if you get the drift..
The General Aviation Pilot award wage is significantly lower then the average national wage.A newly qualified Pilot can expect anything from having to pay money TO the emplyer to get an amount of bout $30k.Working like a horse and keeping their heads down, and then having to pull out another $3-$20k to move up in the company to fly a larger aircraft for peanuts once again.The road to success is gruelsome and long, not many last and many fail to keep the motivation as the sacrifices and losses are far too great compared to the little glamour a jet job like Qantas has to offer.Once a Aviator reaches the stage to be considered for airline entry then they have gruelsome selection tests to go through and if worthy enough to be accepted then they have to pull another $20k+ out of their already dry wallets to pay for thei aircraft endorsement(25k for Virgin blue).to state that a Pilot can earn up to 350,000 is a total joke.A REX airlines First Officer starts at 40k and earns up to 50k and the captain makes anything from 62-85k approx.
The email is longer and has a fwe more points but I couldnt find a copy of the full version.
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Many good points raised.

Well done.
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I was going to start up myself but Qfcaptain has said everything and more than I'd say.
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Speeling and Grammah check

If the journo reads that email, he/she is sure going to wonder why anyone would pay 350 G's for someone who didn't get past grade 3 literacy.
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Spaz beat me to it QFcaptain.

While your observations are to be applauded, I certainly hope you proof read the email before sending it.

Before we get the flamethrowers out guys, perception is a major part of the battle. One or two grammatical errors may be tolerated, but you tend to lose much of the message if it isn't delivered correctly.
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350k p.a - Pffft

You guys really are getting underpaid. I mean check out this ad on AFAP for a heli jockey:


NORTHERN REGION LIFE SAVER RESCUE HELICOPTER

HELICOPTER PILOT (FULL TIME – LISMORE BASED)


Westpac Life Saver Rescue Helicopter provides helicopter emergency medical and search & rescue services to the NSW northern region, 24 hours a day, 365 days per year.

We are seeking an enthusiastic and highly motivated person to become part of our operations team.

The Northern Region Life Saver Rescue Helicopter Operates Eurocopter – Single Pilot IFR AS365N2 Dauphin Helicopters.

Applications are invited from pilots with the following minimum desirable qualifications:

· Airline Transport Pilot License (ATPL-H)

· Command Instrument Rating with 3 renewals

· 2500 flying hours rotary wing

Applicants must satisfy Australian residency conditions.

An Attractive remuneration package – circa $1000, 000 – will be negotiated with the successful candidate.

Applications in writing detailing relevant experience including the names of two professional referees will close 5pm 21 March 2008 and should be addressed to:

Chief Pilot

Northern Region

SLSA Helicopter Rescue Service Pty Ltd

PO Box 822, Lismore NSW 2480

Email: [email protected] Fax: 02 6621 4288



An Attractive remuneration package – circa $1000, 000 – will be negotiated with the successful candidate.


That's at least 12 Rex Skippers if I'm not mistaken!
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An Attractive remuneration package – circa $1000, 000 – will be negotiated with the successful candidate.
is this the new benchmark? a Million PA! .. cant wait for the rest of the operators to match that!
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What's one or two zeros in a pay packet anyway....
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I've emailed him also.
Can I suggest you all do the same.
The public have a right to be correctly informed, instead of thinking we're a bunch of overpaid holiday makers traveling the globe! That's far from reality .

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is this the new benchmark? a Million PA
That would be the starting point of negotiations to get me living back in Lismore.
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its a typo - has to be.
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I'm SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT
Where do I find an airline pilot job that will pay 350k a year???????????????
I thought only someone like the Chief Poopa of say QF or the like would earn that only maybe???????

But hey if anyone is offering??...I will even work on sundays for that job!!! ha
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I'll work every weekend and do it for only $325,000 p.a.
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Old 10th Mar 2008, 21:30
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Here we go again, cue the pimply faced twenty year old who will do it for free!
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it's a shame writing and sub ed standards at the Age have continued to slip to the point where the most basic structure of researching and writing a story are totally discarded.

The Age nonsense does however again highlight the fact that as an industry we are frustrated by media incompetencies but then again as an industry we have generally been slow to correct and change the agenda - so well done QFCapt and a few more of us shouldn't be shy to dash off a line or two before sign on.

PS: What you won't see in the comparitor info panel (the Age USED to do these really well) is the fact that said Age writer's hard earned professional journalistic 'endorsement' in the form a HECS fee (that's if he actually completed the uni course) is significantly less than the spend to gain a CPL at a country aeroclub.

Now where do I send the CV for the 350K?
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Wind beneath their wings

Hi guys...
If someone will find that article on the web... could you send me a copy please!?! It's quite important...
THANK'S
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$100,000pa NOT $1,000,000pa

Referring to the Lismore Helicopter gig, I've got the Aviation section of the Friday's Australian in front of me, and it says:

$100,000pa..... NOT $1MIL

Cheers.
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