RAAF FCIs going to sale?
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Rumors are that the product from 2FTS isn't what it used to be. Can anyone confirm????
Now that wouldn't affect quality, would it!?
Weren't like that when I were a lad! My logbook shows 6 weeks from my final handling test at 1FTS to GF1 in the Macchi at 2FTS.
Yeah, ever since Sir Richard Williams graduated its been going downhill......
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I'm not sure I understand, what would be the benefit of sending FCI's to Sale? While there is a short 'domestic' conversion onto the hornet, the studs already have some considerable jet time - the FCI's focus is surely on producing a Sqn ready wingman, not the worlds finest circuit pilots (although I am sure there is a marg at the ready for domestic mistakes!).
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Toppie,
I think there has always been an ACG liability at CFS. There had been for at least the last five years and probably more, but to the best of my understanding ACG has filled these slots with guys who have not actually flown (or at least passed) an F18 or F111 conversion. ie dudes who went back to be 'operational' hawk pilots.
I could be wrong though, but a while ago it seemed that ACG could not afford to lose their 'real' pilots, so would fill them with the hawk guys. I'm not trying to piss the hawk guys off, just stating what it looks like to me.
I think there has always been an ACG liability at CFS. There had been for at least the last five years and probably more, but to the best of my understanding ACG has filled these slots with guys who have not actually flown (or at least passed) an F18 or F111 conversion. ie dudes who went back to be 'operational' hawk pilots.
I could be wrong though, but a while ago it seemed that ACG could not afford to lose their 'real' pilots, so would fill them with the hawk guys. I'm not trying to piss the hawk guys off, just stating what it looks like to me.
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I think you're right, although I am sure someone a little more current could shoot me down. The drain on the Sqn's, given amount of training to have someone up to speed, and the general shortage of 'operational' pilots makes it hard to select those to become hawk QFI's etc, let alone CFS slots.
If D & G General Aviation & Questions is "The place for students, instructors and charter guys", what the ? is this thread doing in here?
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Posted to keep this at the top of the D & G General Aviation & Questions page, thereby annoying the Dr who is obviously angling for a mod's position!
The "last Hornet guy" at CFS is exactly that. ACG have turned off their "liability" at CFS. Won't stop the knucks whinging about the "poor standard of graduates" though!
The "last Hornet guy" at CFS is exactly that. ACG have turned off their "liability" at CFS. Won't stop the knucks whinging about the "poor standard of graduates" though!
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I don't think that is quite right Cap Sand Dune. I'm pretty sure there is a guy down there who is filling an ACG slot, granted not a hornet dude, but the ACG 'slots' are still there
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CSD is correct. There are no more ACG slots at CFS. The FJ guy is surplus and not filling an ACG slot. This understandable given the amount of QFIs needed in the FJ world. The point is, you can't complain about graduates on one hand (if anyone really is complaining) but not contribute to a fix.
Either way, CFS oversight of airborne instruction by all ACG instructors, which is one of their roles, will probably do very little to improve FJ grad rates anyway. I agree FCIs fill a pretty specialist role and should probably be supervised by senior QFIs in their own FEG.
Either way, CFS oversight of airborne instruction by all ACG instructors, which is one of their roles, will probably do very little to improve FJ grad rates anyway. I agree FCIs fill a pretty specialist role and should probably be supervised by senior QFIs in their own FEG.
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Boys,
I think you'll find there was a Hornet guy at CFS as recently as 12 months ago. Even managed to make it into the Roulettes! Now those guys rock
I think you'll find there was a Hornet guy at CFS as recently as 12 months ago. Even managed to make it into the Roulettes! Now those guys rock
There have always been ACG "slots" at CFS, but that position gets filled like a sine wave to match current manning levels. 3 years ago they were flush, not so much these days. Ideally one Hornet and Pig guy.....makes it heaps easier to conduct annual instructor checks.....however 2 hawk guys at the moment filling those slots (1 may have recently left).
Sending Hornets to Sale wouldn't be a good idea. I vote the mighty CT4.
The FCI's are a mini CFS unto themselves who do all their internal checking. CFS only checks out the QFI's & OFI's.........but traditionally run a mini course for them on basic instructional technique......nothing major.
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Was that the Hornet guy who hadn't flown a RAAF hornet for around 5 years?
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The FCI's are a mini CFS unto themselves who do all their internal checking. CFS only checks out the QFI's & OFI's.
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No, but the administrators haven't offered a 'D & G Awesome Aviaiton & Questions' forum yet, so you'll just have to sit tight and learn something FTDK.
I don't think you'd find anyone has any issues with the guys out of 2FTS, the progression really comes at the hawk training point and into 2OCU.
I don't think CFS would have anything to offer qualified FCI or hornet IP's for that matter - the intial instructional technique, breifings and debriefings information would be/is very worthwile I assume.
Any current guys able to comment?
I don't think you'd find anyone has any issues with the guys out of 2FTS, the progression really comes at the hawk training point and into 2OCU.
I don't think CFS would have anything to offer qualified FCI or hornet IP's for that matter - the intial instructional technique, breifings and debriefings information would be/is very worthwile I assume.
Any current guys able to comment?
The FCI's are a mini CFS unto themselves who do all their internal checking.
CFS only checks out the QFI's & OFI's.
Is there an annual check for IPs???
CFS only checks out the QFI's & OFI's.
Is there an annual check for IPs???
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In fact, a quick review of FTDK's post will show a lack of 'value adding' input to most threads. Much like RAAF FCI's going to Sale (in order to offer some relevance to my post!) 