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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 05:33
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ATPL Met and AFT notes

Looking to do ATPL Met in the next few weeks, for those that have done it recently did they find the AFT (Higgins) notes satisfactory and also were the practice exams in the notes close to the actual exam?

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Old 3rd Mar 2008, 06:08
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Higgins notes/exams are great but also suggest you try getting your hands on a copy of the Manual of Aviation Meteorology produced by the BoM.
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The BOM manual was included when I purchased the AFT notes for Met. As usual from AFT the notes are spot on and you'll probably see a good portion of the practice questions in the exam.
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Met Manual

The Met Manual was also included in my AFT notes. I've just done the exam, the AFT stuff is spot on. Do all the practice exams and you'll find most of the questions in the real exam are very similar.
Another point to note (been said loads) read the question. Sometimes they ask you things like what does x and y do in the northern hemisphere. I almost got tripped up here, as of course it was opposite to the southern. Little things like that to watch out for.
Know your SIGWX charts well, formation of thunderstorms and Know DALR and SALR calcs and definitions. Also a few questions on continental air masses, types of icing to expected and know how to read TAFS (TEMPO, INTER etc) very well. They ask a few questions on that and you need to be able to decipher them well.
Thats about all I can remember. Good luck!
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thats handy info, thanks boardpig.
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from memory ull get a few 2 or 3 markers i think, all on TTF's

just remember that TTF's is valid over the top of a TAF for its validity

apart from that it was piss easy, i got 96% in about 20minutes

quite a few quesiton on high level weather charts, and those grid charts (both in AIP's)

higgins notes were spot on, had seen quite a few of the quesitons before hand, especially the quesiton about the best conditions for a dust storm over adelaide I think it was
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wats the dust storm question over adelaide? i got met in 2 days eep. i remeber a question that was like theres high over middle australia and a cold front comming from the west from over oceans??? something to do with that.......??
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Sounds like ideal conditions for a low-level jet, alex
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Everyone says Met is piss easy, and I always struggle

Aerodynamics and systems, however...

No, I'm not looking forward to AMET. Tips much appreciated.
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sounds like bit more study for me then
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yeah thats it.... not sure of the conditions tho

its a high or low
unstable atmosphere
etc
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ATPL Met

I am about to start syudying ATPL Met using the AFT notes. Would you advise that a couple of hours study a day for 3 weeks should be enough?
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yeh piece of piss aviator, I did it over 2 weeks, bout 2 hours a day average (maybe a little less) and had no problems with the exam, > 90%. Just do as many practice questions as you can.

When used in conjunction with the met manual vol 2 you'll walk into the exam with complete knowledge of the syllabus.
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I did pass with 83% - I always struggle with MET exams!

About three weeks study, two-three hours a day, practice exams, restudy weak areas, retest, etc. BOM Aviation Meteorology Manual, plus a brush up on CPL stuff (Bob Tait)

G'luck!
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Before I start a new thread I'll try to see if digging up this older thread (the most relevant I can find on the matter) manages to capture the desired attention.

I recently sat and failed AMET. I did study but I probably should have put it off a bit when I was called to do some crazy hours leading up to and including exam day.

OK excuses aside I'd like to get some insight on a few issues. My KDR leads me to believe that I got the following question (plus many others) wrong:

A crew flying south at FL370 over Australia notice a steadily increasing temperature and a strong increase in a Westerly wind. What should they do to avoid CAT:
  1. Climb,
  2. Descend,
  3. Nothing or
  4. some stupid idea
This is obviously a Jet Stream question and my initial thought was to Descend but then I got a bit too smart for my own good and thought that a climb made more sense. What I want to know is why the temperature is increasing. Having started in the warmer air column to the North (which causes the thermal wind which in turn does the coriolis trick and becomes the Jet Stream) why is the temp increasing?

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Been many years since ATPL but I believe CAT is when a cold front meets a warm front, hence the rising temp, then the cold air being denser tends to stay closer to the ground. It forces it's way under the warm air causing turbulent air to rise quite high above and behind the the leading edge of the cold front.

Therefore my guess would be you would have been correct if you had elected to descend.

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Originally Posted by FRQ Charlie Bravo
What I want to know is why the temperature is increasing. Having started in the warmer air column to the North (which causes the thermal wind which in turn does the coriolis trick and becomes the Jet Stream) why is the temp increasing?
It's been about 3 years since I did ATPL Met, but from what I remember, CAT can occur in the vicinity of the jetstreams at heights near the tropopause. The fact that the temperature is increasing suggests that at FL370, you are infact above the tropopause and in the stratosphere where temperature increases with height.

So, if you're maintaining FL370 and heading south with OAT temperature increasing, this means the tropopause is getting lower as you head south. And if the CAT occurs in the vicinity of the tropopause, then by maintaining FL370, you are infact distancing yourself from the area of CAT.

Thus, in answering the question, "do nothing" would seem to be the correct answer, but as always, I'm happy to be corrected.
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Don't worry, Roxy - I've sat and passed ATPL Met, and I still don't have any idea about that question! No, it isn't a question you'd find on a CPL Met exam.
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Originally Posted by Roxy_Chick_1989
I understand that the question is an ATPL question, however would that be similar to something you would get in the CPL met exam.
The main difference between ATPL Met and CPL Met is that ATPL covers weather at the higher levels where jets and turbo-props operate. If I remember correctly, the CPL theory syllabus is based on piston engine type aircraft operations.

Having said that, there are some similarities as well between CPL and ATPL Met, for example, the type of icing (rime vs clear) you get in particular cloud types and what their temperature ranges, decoding of TAFs and Metars and so on.

Good luck with it.
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