ATC Question + Teaching Airmanship to students
ATC Question + Teaching Airmanship to students
As someone who is allways keen to teach the basic skill to my students, as well as instill a sense of airmanship in them (with varying results), I was just wondeing about a few things.
A typical example.
The other day I was inbound to Albury from the south west in an arrow. after recieving my airways clearence I heared a Virgin jet inbound from the north west and would enter downwind for 07. I worked out we were neck and neck ( but I would be slightly in front)so I offered my best speed the threshold). Shortly after I gave the tower my GPS distance and ground speed. It must have worked cause after turning off on the taxiway(made it a short roll on landing) I saw tha E jet turning a close final.
A few questions.
Does it help the ATCo if a pilot in this situation does the same as me, offers higher, lower speed etc.
Does it help the other crew in that, letting you know that yes I know you;re around and have a good situational awareness.
or
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am I barking up the wrong tree and should just shut up and fly the approach as normal.
Just trying to be a better pilot. would welcome advice.
A typical example.
The other day I was inbound to Albury from the south west in an arrow. after recieving my airways clearence I heared a Virgin jet inbound from the north west and would enter downwind for 07. I worked out we were neck and neck ( but I would be slightly in front)so I offered my best speed the threshold). Shortly after I gave the tower my GPS distance and ground speed. It must have worked cause after turning off on the taxiway(made it a short roll on landing) I saw tha E jet turning a close final.
A few questions.
Does it help the ATCo if a pilot in this situation does the same as me, offers higher, lower speed etc.
Does it help the other crew in that, letting you know that yes I know you;re around and have a good situational awareness.
or
'
am I barking up the wrong tree and should just shut up and fly the approach as normal.
Just trying to be a better pilot. would welcome advice.
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I'd say well done that man!
But also think about the conditions, it will make a big difference if one or both 'sectors' are IMC; then in a non radar/non visual environment the approach and sequencing requirements will be different; also don't assume it's just a sequence of two and you can win; cause there might be more in it. Also don't think "I could" have won therefore "I should" win the race to land.
It's often more expeditious to make number 2 number one; say you are estimating in your warrior touch down at 01 and the E-jet at 00:30; it's easier to keep you number one you land at 00:45 and the E-jet at 01:30. Because reversing it wake turb comes into play and if you're made number two then your touch is 04 (2.5 mins behind the E-Jet). But hey, it's much more complicated than a few sentences on PPRUNE; and also note that estimates are simply that, it doesn't always work out as 'gospel'; we can make good use of circuit legs to stretch arrival times if needed.
It's very hard to achieve 2.5 mins at the threshold with a VFR lighty and a Jet in IMC (jet number 1), or sometimes even in VMC; cause minimum's can come into play well before the threshold.
Also if you do speed up to win or keep in front; don't be offended if you end up number two even after helping; best laid plans of mice and men etc. There are priorities at play too; we shouldn't delay RPTs for the sake of PVT VFR or AWK etc; but that then becomes an argument of 'what is a delay'.
my 2c worth.
But also think about the conditions, it will make a big difference if one or both 'sectors' are IMC; then in a non radar/non visual environment the approach and sequencing requirements will be different; also don't assume it's just a sequence of two and you can win; cause there might be more in it. Also don't think "I could" have won therefore "I should" win the race to land.
It's often more expeditious to make number 2 number one; say you are estimating in your warrior touch down at 01 and the E-jet at 00:30; it's easier to keep you number one you land at 00:45 and the E-jet at 01:30. Because reversing it wake turb comes into play and if you're made number two then your touch is 04 (2.5 mins behind the E-Jet). But hey, it's much more complicated than a few sentences on PPRUNE; and also note that estimates are simply that, it doesn't always work out as 'gospel'; we can make good use of circuit legs to stretch arrival times if needed.
It's very hard to achieve 2.5 mins at the threshold with a VFR lighty and a Jet in IMC (jet number 1), or sometimes even in VMC; cause minimum's can come into play well before the threshold.
Also if you do speed up to win or keep in front; don't be offended if you end up number two even after helping; best laid plans of mice and men etc. There are priorities at play too; we shouldn't delay RPTs for the sake of PVT VFR or AWK etc; but that then becomes an argument of 'what is a delay'.
my 2c worth.
