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Old 15th Feb 2008, 03:52
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Instructing / Charter / Fresh CPL Best Route?

Hi,

I am unsure whether I want to do instructing to build my hours once I have my CPL / FATPL / ME-IR.

I would like to know if there are many other jobs out there that I could go for as a low houred freshman!? (150)

Considering I would like a job to get my hours up as quickly as possible, and am willing to migrate anywhere.

What is the best way for me to secure a job ASAP after training? (June 08) (loan repayments starting to hurt)

Would it be instructing or could I just as easily get a non-instructing position? What other options are there?

Any advice on what I should do and how to go about it would be much appreciated.
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Go North, and ye shalt receive.

Theres a stack of operators across the Kimberley and the Top End who take low-time pilots.
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Thing is, if you want to instruct, you've gotta spend moooore money. And if the loan repayments are hurting already, then take into account more money on your repayments and the extra time to get your rating. Not to mention the low pay you'll receive as a Junior Grade 3 instructor.

However, if you were to go north, it would be very little time between leaving home and starting in a job. The money would be slightly better as well. Plus, get out and experience life! As I say, leave mum's cooking.

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"Theres a stack of operators across the Kimberley and the Top End who take low-time pilots."

Who would I see/ask for, in Karratha/Port Headleand/Broome as a rookie with IR + atp's? Be there next week
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If you like teaching, then instruct. If you just want to build hours do something else. Don't further tarnish the already poor reputation junior instructors seem to have.
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Originally Posted by Lasiorhinus
Go North, and ye shalt receive.

Theres a stack of operators across the Kimberley and the Top End who take low-time pilots.
Thanks for the info there guys,

What is the best way to track down all the operators you guys are referring to in the locations?

All I know is google.com.au any ideas?
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Tried Qantaslink?
They are looking to fix the problem of the exodus of experienced FO's with people just like you.

No Instrument rating required.

In your first job, learn crosswind technique, instrument scan and decision making by trial and error, with 72 pax hanging on behind.

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Hi, yes Qantaslink traineeship, I will have a go. Just organising the plan B.
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And if the qantas link idea fails just walk around the corner to baxter rd...
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Who would I see/ask for, in Karratha/Port Headleand/Broome as a rookie with IR + atp's? Be there next week
Swanie, I don't think there will be many operators interested in your ATPL subjects. Some experience on the 206/210 would be more beneficial.

King Leo's, Broome Av and Broome Air Services would be a good starting point, although your drive up might coincide with TC Nicholas driving down.
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An instructor rating is going to cost you 10k or more. Unless you can find a college willing to sponsor you (which is beginning to happen), spend the 10k on a road trip and find work with tourist operator or something.
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If you have no interest in teaching people, DO NOT INSTRUCT!!!

As a side note, I left mums cooking for an instructing job, its not a charter only thing
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Agree with VH-FTA and Cap'n Arrr - If you are there to build hours, dont instruct! Yes - Junior instructors have a tarnished reputation, and from looking around me, I can see why. More flight instructors are needed - but only those who are passionate about the job and aren't using it to take advantage of students who wont know any better until they find a good instructor.

Go hit the charter scene! And while you are in that mad rush to get those hours, don't forget to enjoy yourself!

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what is on baxter road? REX?

I didn't know it costed 10k! wow.

Yes I agree with you guys in that there is enough instructors out there just building hours.

If I couldn't get other work, then I would do instructing but it seems like there are enough jobs around, which is good because an extra 10k and 2 months loan repayments would cost me about 13k.! Then looking for jobs... More wasted time, more money.

Would it be wise to make a cv and send it out about 2 months before I finish training to let people know I will be employable from then on, or should I wait until I am all ready to start a job incase they don't keep it on file?
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Why choose?

Why not do both? Finances providing of course, do an instructor rating at a flying school/club that also does charter.

Take my word for it, you'll turn out a much more well rounded pilot with a mixture of both under your belt.
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Basair Number 1 choice

You could go to Basair and do there scholarship and have a three year return of service.. Vey good company with excellent saftey record , tip top maintenance and amazing fleet . Don't let recent exodus by instructors deter you . Pay will be above award wages .

This is not a gee up i promise .

PS Did i 152 door really snap of ( not the aerobat type either ) mid flight between BK and Cessnock .
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Vey good company with excellent saftey record , tip top maintenance and amazing fleet . Don't let recent exodus by instructors deter you . Pay will be above award wages
Is that you Darrin?? I suggest you get your head out of your ass whoever you are anyway, . All I hear from students there is that the aircraft are utter rubbish with poor maintenance (brand new Tecnams look like they're about 20 years old already). Not to mention the ballsup of every students program and the ripoff charges. 3 months to do a MECIR?? You've gotta be kidding.

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Lots of places have above award wages. But they take out paying for uniform/jepps/medical/offering training/days off and all the other parts of the award.

Again - DO NOT INSTRUCT UNLESS YOU WANT TO TEACH. I can't stress this enough, you will go bananas. Seriously, I used to enjoy instructing, but right now I'm (again) very seriously contemplating giving it the flick due to the extra stress that comes with teaching, rather than just flying. Also I'm a little p***ed off at the school right now, so I'm trying not to let that influence me. It is a hard job, especially if you're only there for the hours.
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Would it be wise to make a cv and send it out about 2 months before I finish training to let people know I will be employable from then on, or should I wait until I am all ready to start a job incase they don't keep it on file?
They won't keep it on file until you have the qualifications.

Anything sent before that will, more than likely, end up getting filed in the bin.
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If you're local, keep sticking your head in the door, get to know the staff and generally get your name known.
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