ASL pass rates?
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With regard to ASL here in Aus, I missed an exam as my daughter was in hospital with pneumonia, I called them a couple of hours before the exam and even if I provided a medical certificate they would still charge me full price for re sitting as I was not the one who was sick.
Nice to see the money hungry Bas... don't give a toss about anyone except their bottom line.
Nice to see the money hungry Bas... don't give a toss about anyone except their bottom line.
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ASL NZ.
Back in the days that I did my exams I wanted priority marking. That cost $30,- extra.
I had no problem with that. Until……
The lady on the phone from ASL told me on one off the many conversations I had with them regarding there English rather than aviation knowledge test, that all the papers are getting marked when they come in. but the once who pay 30,- extra just get there results released like 2 days sooner.
Now that severely enjoys me!!
My opinion about ASL??
Back in the days that I did my exams I wanted priority marking. That cost $30,- extra.
I had no problem with that. Until……
The lady on the phone from ASL told me on one off the many conversations I had with them regarding there English rather than aviation knowledge test, that all the papers are getting marked when they come in. but the once who pay 30,- extra just get there results released like 2 days sooner.
Now that severely enjoys me!!
My opinion about ASL??
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Originally Posted by gadude
...on one off the many conversations...
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with them regarding there English rather than aviation knowledge test...
Originally Posted by gadude
...but the once who pay...
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just get there results
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Now that severely enjoys me!!
You make it too easy... let me guess; you have to sit the Engrish test again???
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sit my english exam?
nah not again, i sat mine 12 years ago before i was granted entery in to this part off the world. besides i did run the post over with the spelling chek thingy and it didnt even pick all those things up so i am not to worried lol.
thanks for your lesson in englisch mate
nah not again, i sat mine 12 years ago before i was granted entery in to this part off the world. besides i did run the post over with the spelling chek thingy and it didnt even pick all those things up so i am not to worried lol.
thanks for your lesson in englisch mate
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6080ft and anyone else who wants to know.
The answer is NO I havn't herd back from ASL.. as we suspected.
I am just thinking about what to do next.. Any suggestions?
I don't want to ignore it cause it is something that affects the NZ aviation industry in such a big way and ASL needs to be accountable for that.
Do Member of Parliaments (MP) have any say (or care?).
The answer is NO I havn't herd back from ASL.. as we suspected.
I am just thinking about what to do next.. Any suggestions?
I don't want to ignore it cause it is something that affects the NZ aviation industry in such a big way and ASL needs to be accountable for that.
Do Member of Parliaments (MP) have any say (or care?).
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Scorched - yes i would have been very surprised if you did hear back from them. I battled with them for years over a variety of issues, mainly those arising from some questionable flight tests. I have no idea what to do next, as their standard line is, an ASL flight test is an ASL flight test.
Perhaps talk to various CFI's to see what they have to say and see if they are prepared to offer advice. There are many in the northern region who would no doubt have something to say!
Do you know whats happening with DW, I heard there was a bit of a fuss going down at the moment. Could be just rumour tho.
I would be keen to hear how you get on!
Perhaps talk to various CFI's to see what they have to say and see if they are prepared to offer advice. There are many in the northern region who would no doubt have something to say!
Do you know whats happening with DW, I heard there was a bit of a fuss going down at the moment. Could be just rumour tho.
I would be keen to hear how you get on!
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Radical Measures:
Hit em where it hurts:
Revenue:
Notify the Minister as a group, that you are giving them a limited time frame to sort it out:
Get three or Four A cats to go to Aussie, utilise the TTRMA, get the Aussie equivilant to your existing NZ qual:
Obtain Aussie Flt Testing privillages, you will benifit on both shores!
Then contract all your teaching material from a school in Aussie:
Then teach and Issue Australian licences, and use the TTRMA back wards to get NZ Quals issued:
Kiwi's, just bend over and take it, have done for years:
Stand up and hit them where it hurts.
In the Pocket.
ASL and most dept people are a pack of useless, bottom feeding, self serving individuals that have prostituted their love for aviation in the need for personal recognition, and gathering revenue for the Dept/ASL:
Then the Minister will forgo the TTRMA agreement, but think of the political Shiiiite storm you could create:
But Nah will never happen, my fellow kiwi's will just invest more heavily in KY, or baby Oil, just so as too reduce the hurt that little bit!
What am I, realist, Cynic, stirrer,or with the wrong attitude?
Chr's
H/Snort
Revenue:
Notify the Minister as a group, that you are giving them a limited time frame to sort it out:
Get three or Four A cats to go to Aussie, utilise the TTRMA, get the Aussie equivilant to your existing NZ qual:
Obtain Aussie Flt Testing privillages, you will benifit on both shores!
Then contract all your teaching material from a school in Aussie:
Then teach and Issue Australian licences, and use the TTRMA back wards to get NZ Quals issued:
Kiwi's, just bend over and take it, have done for years:
Stand up and hit them where it hurts.
In the Pocket.
ASL and most dept people are a pack of useless, bottom feeding, self serving individuals that have prostituted their love for aviation in the need for personal recognition, and gathering revenue for the Dept/ASL:
Then the Minister will forgo the TTRMA agreement, but think of the political Shiiiite storm you could create:
But Nah will never happen, my fellow kiwi's will just invest more heavily in KY, or baby Oil, just so as too reduce the hurt that little bit!
What am I, realist, Cynic, stirrer,or with the wrong attitude?
Chr's
H/Snort
I hear there has been a recent resignation at ASL - one of the more senior people so perhaps the email address given previously will not be of much use shortly. Rumour has it another long-term employee is looking elsewhere as well...
That said it's easy to be hard on ASL, they certainly do have their problems, but what do you do to make it better? How can one more objectively assess a persons competence to fly? The nature of the test means that it's subject to a certain amount of, well, subjectiveness. Human nature being what it is one person is likely to view a certain situation, maneuver or whatever differently to another. It's unrealistic to expect just one person to conduct all the NZ tests (ensuring some degree of consistency notwithstanding bad hair days or similar
) given the present demand so just how do you deal with it? I've no answer - I'm not sure there is one - but perhaps a reasonable round-house discussion could result in some improvments here, how about some constructive comments people?
On the other hand I'm disappointed to hear that they appear to be witholding information. If it's bad (for them) then so be it, they should be honest, front up with it and deal with the problem. As I understand it ASL is 'owned' by the industry (although I'm not totally sure what that means) so the industry, not parliament, should be the directors of what/how ASL deals with things. Perhaps someone with a greater understanding of the ownership and control path of ASL could assist here so that any comments people have may be properly directed to the right person(s).
Another possibility exists of course - I don't think ASL are a mandated monopoly. In other words it is technicially possible (I think?) for another organisation(s) to seek CAA approval and provide examination services. There's nothing like a bit of competition for cleaning up ones act.
I see also some comments on the theory exams, I understand ASL's reasoning for not returning the papers - they use standard test q & a's - but I don't necessarily agree with them. If you have sat a test then you are entitled to the full thing in return - so that you may properly assess their competence as well as them assessing yours. I'm not sure that I agree with standard multi-guess tests either, then again they (theoretically) ensure a greater degree of consistency - so one is damned if one does and damned if one doesn't (sigh!).
FP.
That said it's easy to be hard on ASL, they certainly do have their problems, but what do you do to make it better? How can one more objectively assess a persons competence to fly? The nature of the test means that it's subject to a certain amount of, well, subjectiveness. Human nature being what it is one person is likely to view a certain situation, maneuver or whatever differently to another. It's unrealistic to expect just one person to conduct all the NZ tests (ensuring some degree of consistency notwithstanding bad hair days or similar
) given the present demand so just how do you deal with it? I've no answer - I'm not sure there is one - but perhaps a reasonable round-house discussion could result in some improvments here, how about some constructive comments people?On the other hand I'm disappointed to hear that they appear to be witholding information. If it's bad (for them) then so be it, they should be honest, front up with it and deal with the problem. As I understand it ASL is 'owned' by the industry (although I'm not totally sure what that means) so the industry, not parliament, should be the directors of what/how ASL deals with things. Perhaps someone with a greater understanding of the ownership and control path of ASL could assist here so that any comments people have may be properly directed to the right person(s).
Another possibility exists of course - I don't think ASL are a mandated monopoly. In other words it is technicially possible (I think?) for another organisation(s) to seek CAA approval and provide examination services. There's nothing like a bit of competition for cleaning up ones act.
I see also some comments on the theory exams, I understand ASL's reasoning for not returning the papers - they use standard test q & a's - but I don't necessarily agree with them. If you have sat a test then you are entitled to the full thing in return - so that you may properly assess their competence as well as them assessing yours. I'm not sure that I agree with standard multi-guess tests either, then again they (theoretically) ensure a greater degree of consistency - so one is damned if one does and damned if one doesn't (sigh!).
FP.
