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BR, go back to where ever you have come from. You have hijacked two threads now with the same useless axe grinding, uneducated and mindless dribble on an issue long finished here on Pprune. If you are genuinely interested in this (Jundee) topic then maybe you can do a search and add something new to that thread.
This one has gotten into such a mud slingging match that the original author of this post DC323 hasn't bothered contributing anymore
This one has gotten into such a mud slingging match that the original author of this post DC323 hasn't bothered contributing anymore
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Is it true that Network are due to take delivery of 2 F100's in March? If so, they will need crews for the jets as well as the E120's. Available crews ex Perth will be pretty well stretched.
BR715, did you get a knock-back from Skippers at sometime?
Don't the mention the C337 time LeftHand_Rock_Thrower, he will accuse you of logging it as command twin time.
Don't the mention the C337 time LeftHand_Rock_Thrower, he will accuse you of logging it as command twin time.
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"4800 tt, 2300 mecom, 11 renewals, 1500+ turbine command, not my first above 5700kg, 150 multi crew before Skippers, ATPL-A for 5 years, CAR 217 ATO and C&T"
And you chose to work at skippers too, lol have fun mate while these rest of us are flying jets with those sort of hours
"4800 tt, 2300 mecom, 11 renewals, 1500+ turbine command, not my first above 5700kg, 150 multi crew before Skippers, ATPL-A for 5 years, CAR 217 ATO and C&T"
And you chose to work at skippers too, lol have fun mate while these rest of us are flying jets with those sort of hours
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okay, well I will bother to reply to this thread as it seems it has got out of hand.
I was merely asking for information relating to staff turn over (especially on the Dash 8s and if Skippers are planning to get anymore).
But for some reason this has turned into another "bitching" about Skippers thread. I applaud the efforts of the Jundee crew. Regardless of the cause, they managed to save an aircraft from disaster. If their own actions lead to it then I would agree an investigation into training techniques would need to be addressed. But there can be no disputing that they performed the role they are there for and guided a troubled aircraft back to earth safely.
I have worked for Skippers in the past, so I know that they're are great people to work with and some that are not so great. I unfortunately did not have the maturity at the time to rise above it and got bogged down in all the crap and blew a chance to be one of those straight out of flight school with ATPL subjects and a MECIR to go on to the metros as an F/O. Instead I spent a fair amount of time working the ramp. I am now working 'up north' learning that valuable experience that I have heard about and I can say with no hesitation I am a lot better for it.
I would like to return to Skippers as a pilot, but that's up to MC. As for RS, well I'll leave that topic alone. I just wanted info as I have a Dash 8 endo (and I don't want to start the whole paying for your endo thread - it was a different set of circumstances how it came about) -
I was merely asking for information relating to staff turn over (especially on the Dash 8s and if Skippers are planning to get anymore).
But for some reason this has turned into another "bitching" about Skippers thread. I applaud the efforts of the Jundee crew. Regardless of the cause, they managed to save an aircraft from disaster. If their own actions lead to it then I would agree an investigation into training techniques would need to be addressed. But there can be no disputing that they performed the role they are there for and guided a troubled aircraft back to earth safely.
I have worked for Skippers in the past, so I know that they're are great people to work with and some that are not so great. I unfortunately did not have the maturity at the time to rise above it and got bogged down in all the crap and blew a chance to be one of those straight out of flight school with ATPL subjects and a MECIR to go on to the metros as an F/O. Instead I spent a fair amount of time working the ramp. I am now working 'up north' learning that valuable experience that I have heard about and I can say with no hesitation I am a lot better for it.
I would like to return to Skippers as a pilot, but that's up to MC. As for RS, well I'll leave that topic alone. I just wanted info as I have a Dash 8 endo (and I don't want to start the whole paying for your endo thread - it was a different set of circumstances how it came about) -
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DC there are quite a few opportunities still although numbers have increased rapidly over the last few months.
Both dash and braz commands and right hand slots available.
As commented before there are still some issues. For those there at the moment who are content not getting caught up in banter seem to be enjoying and joking in the crew room
Both dash and braz commands and right hand slots available.
As commented before there are still some issues. For those there at the moment who are content not getting caught up in banter seem to be enjoying and joking in the crew room
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Wow, a jet pilot.......
Lifestyle and money, that is all that matters.
If someone was to pay me $100K to fly a C150 around the circuit mon-fri, 9-5, i'd die of old age in that job, and wouldn't be 60 years old, retired, divorced several times over and broke as so often happens for those chasing the dream.
Lifestyle and money, that is all that matters.
If someone was to pay me $100K to fly a C150 around the circuit mon-fri, 9-5, i'd die of old age in that job, and wouldn't be 60 years old, retired, divorced several times over and broke as so often happens for those chasing the dream.
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Absolutely!
Couldn't agree more, LHRT! 
There are quite a few of us out there who've done the travelling thing and don't want or need the job as a vehicle to go places..
Personally, living in a permanent state of jet lag just to see another bland empty crew hotel room in a hot, cold, or otherwise different country every few days really hasn't much appeal at all!
With the increasing flow rate of young GA/regional pilots to the larger airlines, there's a good chance for those regional jobs to get renumerated better.. can't wait
There are quite a few of us out there who've done the travelling thing and don't want or need the job as a vehicle to go places..
Personally, living in a permanent state of jet lag just to see another bland empty crew hotel room in a hot, cold, or otherwise different country every few days really hasn't much appeal at all!
With the increasing flow rate of young GA/regional pilots to the larger airlines, there's a good chance for those regional jobs to get renumerated better.. can't wait
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Originally Posted by PlankBender
there's a good chance for those regional jobs to get renumerated better...
Like a seeming minority of others in here, I too am as happy as a clam in GA -all my time is 100% hands-on, I get to interact with terrain, wx and pax as a normal part of my daily routine -all the time, the machinery (and the things I get to do with it) is interesting and varied and when the doors are closed and props turning, I own the aircraft! Can't beat it
Those of you who see the heavy metal as the Holy Grail, more power to your wrist. Go for it, have a helluva time on the way. Just don't forget where you started -like everyone else, and please, spare those of us that made a different choice your derision.
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Filth
You know, some of you who insist on throwing mud around at others behind your anonymity (you know damn well who you are) ought to be strung up in Martin Place and spat on.
You have NO RIGHT to comment on the standards of an organisation based on ONE person's demise. I am not going to sit here and read your heartless comments and accusations towards a very good friend of mine without making you aware of some FACTS.
The fact that a Brasilia Captain to which you refer who is now working at again at Skippers is NOT by any means an automatic certification of the standards maintained there - I can assure you that he did not return due to a lack of ability or experience. Just because the training staff don't have 239857349582803948 hours on type, it does NOT render them inexperienced or ill-equipped for their role - they too have standards to meet.
Experience is, after all, not doing the same thing 1000 times, but more doing 1000 different things once.
The crew of the Jundee incident aircraft did indeed save the aircraft and the lives aboard it - as has been mentioned above. We should be thankful that they had the ability and experience to pull that off, rather than downing them and coming out with things like "Gee, it could've been the WORST EVER air accident in Australian history". Well, you know what? It wasn't. Yes, it could've been, but it wasn't.
You cannot tell me that a crew with a cumulative experience of 40,000hours would have done any better. The reality is, the outcome would have been the same - everyone walked off that Brasilia without a scratch on them, and the aircraft is back in service.
Please try and keep your personal attacks out of this - it is unneccessarily demoralising to the abilities and experience of those you are talking about.
520.
You have NO RIGHT to comment on the standards of an organisation based on ONE person's demise. I am not going to sit here and read your heartless comments and accusations towards a very good friend of mine without making you aware of some FACTS.
The fact that a Brasilia Captain to which you refer who is now working at again at Skippers is NOT by any means an automatic certification of the standards maintained there - I can assure you that he did not return due to a lack of ability or experience. Just because the training staff don't have 239857349582803948 hours on type, it does NOT render them inexperienced or ill-equipped for their role - they too have standards to meet.
Experience is, after all, not doing the same thing 1000 times, but more doing 1000 different things once.
The crew of the Jundee incident aircraft did indeed save the aircraft and the lives aboard it - as has been mentioned above. We should be thankful that they had the ability and experience to pull that off, rather than downing them and coming out with things like "Gee, it could've been the WORST EVER air accident in Australian history". Well, you know what? It wasn't. Yes, it could've been, but it wasn't.
You cannot tell me that a crew with a cumulative experience of 40,000hours would have done any better. The reality is, the outcome would have been the same - everyone walked off that Brasilia without a scratch on them, and the aircraft is back in service.
Please try and keep your personal attacks out of this - it is unneccessarily demoralising to the abilities and experience of those you are talking about.
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There are no male F/A's at skippers.
Conntinental thanks for the support and yes there are many diverse levels of experience at the moment
if everyone doesnt mind can we now please leave JUN alone!!!
I think we need to catch the refueller again or something positve
Conntinental thanks for the support and yes there are many diverse levels of experience at the moment
if everyone doesnt mind can we now please leave JUN alone!!!
I think we need to catch the refueller again or something positve
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"You cannot tell me that a crew with a cumulative experience of 40,000hours would have done any better"
Maybe but they may have checked that the fuel was within 3% and not ran out of ****in fuel you tosser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol all you clowns take the bait i love it thanks for for giving me good laugh lol lol
"You cannot tell me that a crew with a cumulative experience of 40,000hours would have done any better"
Maybe but they may have checked that the fuel was within 3% and not ran out of ****in fuel you tosser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol all you clowns take the bait i love it thanks for for giving me good laugh lol lol
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Well, actually,
You make your point, randomly and unwarrantingly making frivolous claims in doing so.
So, others try and offer a different point of view to it, and attempt to induce some factual information and logic to the thread, and the response comes:
Hardly the hallmark of a logical argument, mate. But you've already made it clear that logic is not a language of yours, so you just keep telling yourself that.
Incidentally, I'll have you know that the crew were following their SOPs that day in reference to fuel quantity measurement, which has been confirmed in the investigation, and are not responsible for any deficiencies that lie/lay within those.
Feel free to resume the debate at a civil, structured and factual level when you develop the maturity to do so.
Scarred for life after that morning!! 
Dunno if that guy still makes it a habit, but might be worth thinking twice before you touch the fuel receipt.... (!)
520.
So, others try and offer a different point of view to it, and attempt to induce some factual information and logic to the thread, and the response comes:
lol all you clowns take the bait i love it thanks for for giving me good laugh lol lol
Incidentally, I'll have you know that the crew were following their SOPs that day in reference to fuel quantity measurement, which has been confirmed in the investigation, and are not responsible for any deficiencies that lie/lay within those.
Feel free to resume the debate at a civil, structured and factual level when you develop the maturity to do so.
I think we need to catch the refueller again or something positve
Dunno if that guy still makes it a habit, but might be worth thinking twice before you touch the fuel receipt.... (!)520.
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Towering Q,
For your information, Trilander and C337 endorsed thank you very much
For your information, Trilander and C337 endorsed thank you very much
Ah, bugger it, I don't think I'll bother.......everybody I know in aviation works there now....(except the couple who used to but progressed further).
Might be a tad crowded there.