What's this english test about?
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I have been led to belive that the English test is only for "non" english speaking countries!!
IE : If you come from a country where your first lang is English then you DONOT need to be tested!
TOJP.
I think is is a great idea!!! The level of English that is used around YSBK is :ugh
ugh!
I feel sorry for the ATC guys and girls!!
IE : If you come from a country where your first lang is English then you DONOT need to be tested!
TOJP.
I think is is a great idea!!! The level of English that is used around YSBK is :ugh
ugh!I feel sorry for the ATC guys and girls!!
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quote kalavo....."Cause Dunnunda we speak ostralian, not english! So the Poms and the Yanks might not be able to understand us"...
....that mate,is exactly why you goons need an english test..... when you ****e in your nest,you sometimes have to sleep in it......by the way...Iwas out with your sister last night....her english was great.......she keep saying..."oh my god" ...."oh my god" ..."oh my god".....
..it was perfect english,she passed the "test" with flying colours!!!!!!
...now you on the other hand you need practise,...get to work son,do ostralia proud and get with the english stuff
....that mate,is exactly why you goons need an english test..... when you ****e in your nest,you sometimes have to sleep in it......by the way...Iwas out with your sister last night....her english was great.......she keep saying..."oh my god" ...."oh my god" ..."oh my god".....
..it was perfect english,she passed the "test" with flying colours!!!!!!
...now you on the other hand you need practise,...get to work son,do ostralia proud and get with the english stuff
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Capt F... your eggszachery right...sort of not hard really,and a thoughtful post...
let me tell you whot happened tonight.....KJFK....VOR RWY 22L APPS....let me see....we had,as per my count.....close to 40+ A/C ...poms,kiwis(me)ozzies,argies,icelanders,canookics,russian, korean,....you name it,were all at the party....it worked just fine,...no cockups......all good apps...all 180kts to the FAF.... all clearing the Rwy...all good english.....all good communication..all understood.....no worries............................end of story!!!!!!
let me tell you whot happened tonight.....KJFK....VOR RWY 22L APPS....let me see....we had,as per my count.....close to 40+ A/C ...poms,kiwis(me)ozzies,argies,icelanders,canookics,russian, korean,....you name it,were all at the party....it worked just fine,...no cockups......all good apps...all 180kts to the FAF.... all clearing the Rwy...all good english.....all good communication..all understood.....no worries............................end of story!!!!!!
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"..it was perfect english,she passed the "test" with flying colours!!!!!!"
Heh heh, very good LOL'd at that one.
I was out at Parkes last week and listened to an arrival of a duchess full of "run the engines on the ground for a rating" dudes from Bankstown.
The "PIC" quite seriously sounded as though he was stumbling over his words and most of them I couldn't make out. (very disjointed)
I ended up delaying my arrival until I heard the words "on ground, clear of active" (I think). I simply couldn't figure out where he was from his calls.
I had a word with him on the ground and basically got attitude. sigh... God help those in the airbus he'll be pic in 4 weeks from now.
The test I believe might well be a goood thing??
Heh heh, very good LOL'd at that one.
I was out at Parkes last week and listened to an arrival of a duchess full of "run the engines on the ground for a rating" dudes from Bankstown.
The "PIC" quite seriously sounded as though he was stumbling over his words and most of them I couldn't make out. (very disjointed)
I ended up delaying my arrival until I heard the words "on ground, clear of active" (I think). I simply couldn't figure out where he was from his calls.
I had a word with him on the ground and basically got attitude. sigh... God help those in the airbus he'll be pic in 4 weeks from now.
The test I believe might well be a goood thing??
The way I read it, aren't all ATO's getting trained/approval to give a lvl 6 rating? You'd get that with your CIR renewal... only if you fail it you have to do the ASL version.
Unless I read it wrong, and need an ASL Engrish exam myself.
Arrrr, thar be a conundrum!
Unless I read it wrong, and need an ASL Engrish exam myself.
Arrrr, thar be a conundrum!
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For those that wonder "why?".... after a number of accidents and incidents that included a lack of english as a contributing factor, ICAO introduced the new standards in 2003 for implementation this year. Fairly quick by ICAO standards!
See extensive post on "Rumours & News" for the mainly pommy viewpoint!
Bottom line is that it makes sense and should see significant improvements in many countries.
See extensive post on "Rumours & News" for the mainly pommy viewpoint!
Bottom line is that it makes sense and should see significant improvements in many countries.
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triadic....read many of the posts....some I agree with,some absolute rubbish.
I fly into Mexico and South America on a weekly basis,....its not the english thats at fault...its the accents that come with it..... try even JFK,ORD......christ,they are supposed to speak english,and I have a bloody hard time understanding these jokers.
The down side of this is,and Ive seen it before......you start shoving this english (ICAO) almighty down these countrys throats,and you will see the level of service go down......many of these outfits will never admit it,but there is a certain amount of resentment.
I agree totally with the enforcement,but will it ever happen??? ...they are short of controllers as it is now.......best English controllers Ive come across are the Canadians....the buggers do it right....enjoy dealing with them...but even they have their little quirks.....
for those of us that fly into foriegn countries on a daily/weekly basis.....you get used to it....once you get used to the buggers,its not that bad....but one thing is for sure......you listen twice as carefullly,and anything dubious,requires a read back.......nothing is taken for granted,and always believe your Jepps profile before the controllers,....especially in non-radar environments
I fly into Mexico and South America on a weekly basis,....its not the english thats at fault...its the accents that come with it..... try even JFK,ORD......christ,they are supposed to speak english,and I have a bloody hard time understanding these jokers.
The down side of this is,and Ive seen it before......you start shoving this english (ICAO) almighty down these countrys throats,and you will see the level of service go down......many of these outfits will never admit it,but there is a certain amount of resentment.
I agree totally with the enforcement,but will it ever happen??? ...they are short of controllers as it is now.......best English controllers Ive come across are the Canadians....the buggers do it right....enjoy dealing with them...but even they have their little quirks.....
for those of us that fly into foriegn countries on a daily/weekly basis.....you get used to it....once you get used to the buggers,its not that bad....but one thing is for sure......you listen twice as carefullly,and anything dubious,requires a read back.......nothing is taken for granted,and always believe your Jepps profile before the controllers,....especially in non-radar environments
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english...thing
has anyone sat this english proficiency 6 exam yet? and if so, can you please tell me how you found an ATO who can do it... because CASA can't tell me!!
And what was in this exam/interview/test
And what was in this exam/interview/test
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I am sure CASA would know, as they are during the ATO approvals. There is a current list of approved ATO's available from CASA, as I have one. I would suggest to Aero979 to ring CASA and ask for that section, who would probably be pleased to assist.
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many many moons ago when working at a TAFE college I received a phone enquiry from a person who wanted some info about wanting to get a 'pirate' licence. I transferred them to the maritime section.
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IMHO this requirement is a money making almost unenforceable, non standardisationable (english?) idea.
Good luck to all that sit a test - wherever that may be and whatever it may contain!
Indivuidual experiences / results maybe worth a new thread:-
Apologies to those that have already read this elsewhere but thanks to the author anyways!
THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE: BEAUTIFUL AND DANGEROUS
The beautiful literary traits for which English is praised, such as a wealth of words, are exactly the opposite of the needs for aviation language. Conversation between pilots and controllers needs to be terse and clear, but English now has 38 dialects. Aviation needs freedom from ambiguities, but English has hundreds of them. International aviation personnel need a language which is easily learned, but English is so full of irregularities that even its native speakers require 12 years of schooling in it. Stability over the years is needed in aviation, but there is neither an Academy nor a set of prestated rules to exert linguistic discipline over the evolution of English.
In spite of these disadvantages, in 1951 English was designated for international aviation use. This was done without any supporting data or experimentation. Now, 50 years later, we have reason to believe that the language defects of English are responsible for many crashes and near crashes. Here are some examples:
---------------------------------
1976, Zagreb 176 deaths Language errors by the controller.
1977, Tenerife 583 deaths Dutch pilot used Dutch syntax w. English words.
1980, Tenerife 146 deaths Confusion: TURN LEFT and TURNS LEFT
1981, Corsica 180 deaths Ambiguous language
1983, Madrid 169 deaths Faulty communication procedure
1986, E. Berlin 82 deaths Confusion: LEFT and RIGHT
1989, Azores 144 deaths Communication error with tower
1989, Surinam 177 deaths Pilot ignored tower instructions
1990, New York 73 deaths Wrong message about fuel shortage
1993, China 16 deaths Pilot didnŐt understand PULL UP.
1995, Colombia 159 deaths Controller could not converse in English.
1996, India 349 deaths Hindi controller, Arab pilot, Kazakh pilot
1999, Kosovo 24 deaths Italian pilot of UN flight couldnŐt understand
computer generated warning.
1999, Chicago no deaths During takeoff, Korean 747 pilot skillfully avoided a 747 intruder onto the runway. 380 lives were in danger.
2000, Taiwan 82 deaths Pilot misunderstood runway 5R instead of 5L
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Page 12 of The PilotŐs Radio Communication Handbook suggests that 12 to 22% of general aviation accidents are likely to be due to faulty radio communications. This would average 17%. An Italian source estimated at least 11% . Since dead pilots cannot testify as to which word or phrase confused or distracted them, there is no way to establish a precise figure. But certainly minimizing the burden of confusion on pilots due to language will contribute to safer aviation.
1. AVIATION LANGUAGE CONFUSION
Now that there are 52 Open Skies agreements between the U.S. and other countries, every major airport in the world might receive airplanes from anywhere in the world. This fact necessitates a universal language for aviation. English has been tried since 1951, but it is inherently too confusing for all concerned.
Currently in the U.S. there is a crazy quilt of 336 phrases pilots must deal with, They are itemized in The PilotŐs Reference to ATC Procedures and Phraseology. It also lists 49 phrases which differ with the ICAO phrases used in the rest of the world. The 80 page FAA Pilot/Controller Glossary cites 44 differences in definitions with respect to ICAO. The PilotŐs Pocket Decoder lists more than 2,000 abbreviations and acronyms. These complexities impose too great a need for memorization onto a pilot, who often must make split-second decisions.
This chaos of words can cause American pilots to misunderstand American controllers. One result is that they erroneously and dangerously move onto active runways. They did so 429 times in the U.S. last year. Eleven runway accidents dating back to 1972 have claimed 719 lives and destroyed 20 aircraft. Over the past 10 years 45 people have died in runway accidents. (Aviation Week, v87, No. 2; Pg. 36) The book, Fatal Words:Communication Clashes and Aircraft Crashes (U. of Chicago Press, 1994) deals primarily with confusion between native speakers of English.
Captain John Cox, U.S. Airways said, ŇOurs is a lexicon of abbreviations, acronyms, and jargon, and just consider how many different versions of English we have. Often our language can be confusing - we have problems with oxymorons, slang, homonyms (to, too, two) etc.Ó
Flying into and out of the U.S. also exposes pilots to differences in measuring systems, because all other countries use the metric system. This adds numerical confusion about altitudes, runway lengths, and fuel weight to the problems of phraseology noted above. Secondary annoyances about documents, such as the manner of citing dates, and the unnecessary duality of U.S. paper sizes are also noteworthy.
Native speakers of other languages have as much difficulty using English as English-speakers would have trying to use theirs. A complicating factor is the existence of 38 dialects and numerous varieties of English. Even those who seem to speak English perfectly can make fatal errors, as did the Dutch pilot in Tenerife in 1977. During an 8 year period, American pilots reported 250 language dificulties elsewhere, and American controllers reported 95 language problems here with foreign pilots, according to NBC. Russian pilots have almost landed on streets in Seattle and Israel.
Misunderstanding equipment on board aircraft is an important new type of language confusion, as noted for crashes in 1993 and 1999, above. The new digital readouts are more mentally demanding than analog ones were. Computer generated English is often misunderstood. Confusion between ROZO and ROMEO non-directional beacons caused the flight management computer to steer the 1995 Colombia flight into tragedy.
There is active resentment of the preferential treatment of English in aviation by controllers in Mexico and France.
2. LANGUAGE IMPROVEMENTS BY VOCABULARY REORGANIZATION AND EDITING
If the existing patchwork of phrases were made into a coherent entity, the 17% figure for accidents due to miscommuncation might drop by 5% or so. This improvement in safety can be achieved by following the method of the International Standards Organization for systemizing technical vocabularies. See: Suonuuti, Heidi. Guide to Terminology. The Finnish Centre for Technical Terminology for NORDTERM 8, 1997. ISBN 952-9794-09-6.
The ISO method consists of carefully defining the overall field of interest. Subdividing it repeatedly produces cells small enough for specific attention. Each of the concepts within each cell is defined. The last step is assigning words to the concepts. The resulting vocabulary has neither gaps nor overlaps. Consultants from the ISO are available for guidance if requested.
The production of this kind of vocabulary would result in elimination of many confusing items, and minimization of others. Non-metric units and acronyms should be eliminated. Homophones, homographs and homonyms should be minimized. One of the 38 dialects of English should be chosen as a model for worldwide use, and the other 37 discouraged.
3. SELECTION OF THE OPTIMUM LANGUAGE FOR AVIATION
Even after reorganizing the Englishvocabulary, many of its defects will remain. They include the following:
1. Alphabet Only 26 letters, insufficient for its approximately 42 sounds. The number of vowels and diphthongs varies according to dialect, from 18 to 24. Since it is the vowels which give clarity to language, this erratic feature of English is a threat to understanding. There are 253 ways to spell the 42 sounds of English.
2. Accented syllable No regularity in its choice. A dictionary often shows two alternate possibilities.
3. Pluralization More than a dozen methods are used in English to make plurals. The word AIRCRAFT may be either singular or plural, so a message AIRCRAFT APPROACHING is ambiguous because it could mean one or more.
4. Homographs More than 1,400 words which are spelled alike, but have different sounds. CLOSE scrape and CLOSE the door, are examples.
5. Homophones More than 7,800 words are spelled differently, but have the same sound. FOUR and FOR, TOO, TO and TWO are examples. Confusion over the last pair caused a crash in southeast Asia. Consider: THE SONS RAISE MEAT / THE SUNŐS RAYS MEET.
6. Homonyms More than 100,000 words have the same spelling, and the same sound, but 2 or more meanings. Words like SET and TURN have more than a dozen meanings.
7. Affixes They have ambiguous meanings and variable spellings. -NESS, -SHIP and -ITY all carry the same idea of the quality of the root word. If FLAMMABLE and INFLAMMABLE both mean burnable, what does the prefix IN- mean?
8. Idioms More than 10,000 of these culture-based expressions. To HIT THE ROAD doesnŐt mean to attack the pavement. SHUT UP is not the opposite of SHUT DOWN. An English speaker is apt to use idioms, as did the Seattle controller who asked a Russian pilot, ŇCan you make the runway?Ó
9. Irregular verbs More than 165 of them LIFT, LIFTED, HAS LIFTED is regular. GO, WENT, HAS GONE is irregular. Verbs must change for singular or plural subjects. Is CRASHES a verb or a plural noun?
10. Word order Subject, verb, object are required, except for yes-no questions, which force a change to verb, subject object.
11. Rules It has been estimated that 1000 rules are necessary to formulate English, and that there are 1,500 exceptions to these rules. It would be difficult to find a more difficult language for multinational pilots and controllers to learn.
12. Guidance There is no Academy, as there is for Esperanto, French, German and Spanish, to provide linguistic discipline. English is a headless giant.
These residual defects of English make it necessary to find a more suitable language for aviation. A scientific research organization, such as Massachusetts Institute of Technology, should be given a contract to determine the relative merits for aviation of several candidate languages. Through experiments the researchers could determine which language most reliably carried messages between aviation personnel of various ethnic backgrounds.
Because the Esperanto language has none of the above 12 defects of English, it seems clear that Esperanto will win in the competition for excellence. If so, it should then be installed as the universal aviation language, after an orderly transition
At this time the General Accounting Office of the U.S. government is accumulating reference information. In due course it will begin a formal study of the problems of aviation language, and move toward a solution.
Good luck to all that sit a test - wherever that may be and whatever it may contain!
Indivuidual experiences / results maybe worth a new thread:-
Apologies to those that have already read this elsewhere but thanks to the author anyways!
THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE: BEAUTIFUL AND DANGEROUS
The beautiful literary traits for which English is praised, such as a wealth of words, are exactly the opposite of the needs for aviation language. Conversation between pilots and controllers needs to be terse and clear, but English now has 38 dialects. Aviation needs freedom from ambiguities, but English has hundreds of them. International aviation personnel need a language which is easily learned, but English is so full of irregularities that even its native speakers require 12 years of schooling in it. Stability over the years is needed in aviation, but there is neither an Academy nor a set of prestated rules to exert linguistic discipline over the evolution of English.
In spite of these disadvantages, in 1951 English was designated for international aviation use. This was done without any supporting data or experimentation. Now, 50 years later, we have reason to believe that the language defects of English are responsible for many crashes and near crashes. Here are some examples:
---------------------------------
1976, Zagreb 176 deaths Language errors by the controller.
1977, Tenerife 583 deaths Dutch pilot used Dutch syntax w. English words.
1980, Tenerife 146 deaths Confusion: TURN LEFT and TURNS LEFT
1981, Corsica 180 deaths Ambiguous language
1983, Madrid 169 deaths Faulty communication procedure
1986, E. Berlin 82 deaths Confusion: LEFT and RIGHT
1989, Azores 144 deaths Communication error with tower
1989, Surinam 177 deaths Pilot ignored tower instructions
1990, New York 73 deaths Wrong message about fuel shortage
1993, China 16 deaths Pilot didnŐt understand PULL UP.
1995, Colombia 159 deaths Controller could not converse in English.
1996, India 349 deaths Hindi controller, Arab pilot, Kazakh pilot
1999, Kosovo 24 deaths Italian pilot of UN flight couldnŐt understand
computer generated warning.
1999, Chicago no deaths During takeoff, Korean 747 pilot skillfully avoided a 747 intruder onto the runway. 380 lives were in danger.
2000, Taiwan 82 deaths Pilot misunderstood runway 5R instead of 5L
-----------------------------------------------------
Page 12 of The PilotŐs Radio Communication Handbook suggests that 12 to 22% of general aviation accidents are likely to be due to faulty radio communications. This would average 17%. An Italian source estimated at least 11% . Since dead pilots cannot testify as to which word or phrase confused or distracted them, there is no way to establish a precise figure. But certainly minimizing the burden of confusion on pilots due to language will contribute to safer aviation.
1. AVIATION LANGUAGE CONFUSION
Now that there are 52 Open Skies agreements between the U.S. and other countries, every major airport in the world might receive airplanes from anywhere in the world. This fact necessitates a universal language for aviation. English has been tried since 1951, but it is inherently too confusing for all concerned.
Currently in the U.S. there is a crazy quilt of 336 phrases pilots must deal with, They are itemized in The PilotŐs Reference to ATC Procedures and Phraseology. It also lists 49 phrases which differ with the ICAO phrases used in the rest of the world. The 80 page FAA Pilot/Controller Glossary cites 44 differences in definitions with respect to ICAO. The PilotŐs Pocket Decoder lists more than 2,000 abbreviations and acronyms. These complexities impose too great a need for memorization onto a pilot, who often must make split-second decisions.
This chaos of words can cause American pilots to misunderstand American controllers. One result is that they erroneously and dangerously move onto active runways. They did so 429 times in the U.S. last year. Eleven runway accidents dating back to 1972 have claimed 719 lives and destroyed 20 aircraft. Over the past 10 years 45 people have died in runway accidents. (Aviation Week, v87, No. 2; Pg. 36) The book, Fatal Words:Communication Clashes and Aircraft Crashes (U. of Chicago Press, 1994) deals primarily with confusion between native speakers of English.
Captain John Cox, U.S. Airways said, ŇOurs is a lexicon of abbreviations, acronyms, and jargon, and just consider how many different versions of English we have. Often our language can be confusing - we have problems with oxymorons, slang, homonyms (to, too, two) etc.Ó
Flying into and out of the U.S. also exposes pilots to differences in measuring systems, because all other countries use the metric system. This adds numerical confusion about altitudes, runway lengths, and fuel weight to the problems of phraseology noted above. Secondary annoyances about documents, such as the manner of citing dates, and the unnecessary duality of U.S. paper sizes are also noteworthy.
Native speakers of other languages have as much difficulty using English as English-speakers would have trying to use theirs. A complicating factor is the existence of 38 dialects and numerous varieties of English. Even those who seem to speak English perfectly can make fatal errors, as did the Dutch pilot in Tenerife in 1977. During an 8 year period, American pilots reported 250 language dificulties elsewhere, and American controllers reported 95 language problems here with foreign pilots, according to NBC. Russian pilots have almost landed on streets in Seattle and Israel.
Misunderstanding equipment on board aircraft is an important new type of language confusion, as noted for crashes in 1993 and 1999, above. The new digital readouts are more mentally demanding than analog ones were. Computer generated English is often misunderstood. Confusion between ROZO and ROMEO non-directional beacons caused the flight management computer to steer the 1995 Colombia flight into tragedy.
There is active resentment of the preferential treatment of English in aviation by controllers in Mexico and France.
2. LANGUAGE IMPROVEMENTS BY VOCABULARY REORGANIZATION AND EDITING
If the existing patchwork of phrases were made into a coherent entity, the 17% figure for accidents due to miscommuncation might drop by 5% or so. This improvement in safety can be achieved by following the method of the International Standards Organization for systemizing technical vocabularies. See: Suonuuti, Heidi. Guide to Terminology. The Finnish Centre for Technical Terminology for NORDTERM 8, 1997. ISBN 952-9794-09-6.
The ISO method consists of carefully defining the overall field of interest. Subdividing it repeatedly produces cells small enough for specific attention. Each of the concepts within each cell is defined. The last step is assigning words to the concepts. The resulting vocabulary has neither gaps nor overlaps. Consultants from the ISO are available for guidance if requested.
The production of this kind of vocabulary would result in elimination of many confusing items, and minimization of others. Non-metric units and acronyms should be eliminated. Homophones, homographs and homonyms should be minimized. One of the 38 dialects of English should be chosen as a model for worldwide use, and the other 37 discouraged.
3. SELECTION OF THE OPTIMUM LANGUAGE FOR AVIATION
Even after reorganizing the Englishvocabulary, many of its defects will remain. They include the following:
1. Alphabet Only 26 letters, insufficient for its approximately 42 sounds. The number of vowels and diphthongs varies according to dialect, from 18 to 24. Since it is the vowels which give clarity to language, this erratic feature of English is a threat to understanding. There are 253 ways to spell the 42 sounds of English.
2. Accented syllable No regularity in its choice. A dictionary often shows two alternate possibilities.
3. Pluralization More than a dozen methods are used in English to make plurals. The word AIRCRAFT may be either singular or plural, so a message AIRCRAFT APPROACHING is ambiguous because it could mean one or more.
4. Homographs More than 1,400 words which are spelled alike, but have different sounds. CLOSE scrape and CLOSE the door, are examples.
5. Homophones More than 7,800 words are spelled differently, but have the same sound. FOUR and FOR, TOO, TO and TWO are examples. Confusion over the last pair caused a crash in southeast Asia. Consider: THE SONS RAISE MEAT / THE SUNŐS RAYS MEET.
6. Homonyms More than 100,000 words have the same spelling, and the same sound, but 2 or more meanings. Words like SET and TURN have more than a dozen meanings.
7. Affixes They have ambiguous meanings and variable spellings. -NESS, -SHIP and -ITY all carry the same idea of the quality of the root word. If FLAMMABLE and INFLAMMABLE both mean burnable, what does the prefix IN- mean?
8. Idioms More than 10,000 of these culture-based expressions. To HIT THE ROAD doesnŐt mean to attack the pavement. SHUT UP is not the opposite of SHUT DOWN. An English speaker is apt to use idioms, as did the Seattle controller who asked a Russian pilot, ŇCan you make the runway?Ó
9. Irregular verbs More than 165 of them LIFT, LIFTED, HAS LIFTED is regular. GO, WENT, HAS GONE is irregular. Verbs must change for singular or plural subjects. Is CRASHES a verb or a plural noun?
10. Word order Subject, verb, object are required, except for yes-no questions, which force a change to verb, subject object.
11. Rules It has been estimated that 1000 rules are necessary to formulate English, and that there are 1,500 exceptions to these rules. It would be difficult to find a more difficult language for multinational pilots and controllers to learn.
12. Guidance There is no Academy, as there is for Esperanto, French, German and Spanish, to provide linguistic discipline. English is a headless giant.
These residual defects of English make it necessary to find a more suitable language for aviation. A scientific research organization, such as Massachusetts Institute of Technology, should be given a contract to determine the relative merits for aviation of several candidate languages. Through experiments the researchers could determine which language most reliably carried messages between aviation personnel of various ethnic backgrounds.
Because the Esperanto language has none of the above 12 defects of English, it seems clear that Esperanto will win in the competition for excellence. If so, it should then be installed as the universal aviation language, after an orderly transition
At this time the General Accounting Office of the U.S. government is accumulating reference information. In due course it will begin a formal study of the problems of aviation language, and move toward a solution.
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Has anyone applied to CASA for level 4 proficiency as per this application form (form 644)? I've faxed and emailed CLARC the form 3 times, been in correspondence with them many times, and still no word on how my application is going. And what happens once I have the level 4 on my license? Do they send out an updated license for free or does the standard $25 fee apply for license re-prints?
It seems the guys/gals at CASA have no clue how to go about processing this.
It seems the guys/gals at CASA have no clue how to go about processing this.
Did the Level 6 the other day with the CFI. Apparently there is a list of approved providers however that list is confidential and even the guys/girls on the list aren’t allowed to be told (I’m not even making this crap up as a joke, it is really like this). If you go to CASA to do the test then expect $130hr for 1.5hrs of testing..... Or track down an approved tester and expect a MUCH cheaper rate.
Level 6 lasts forever. No need to renew.
As for the CD you have to listen too……
Level 6 lasts forever. No need to renew.
As for the CD you have to listen too……
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English Test?
Do the fine people from across the ditch have to participate in the test? They will find it difficult to understand why everybody else doesn't want to do a Kiwi Conversion!
Beck in the Mainland there are "Chully Buns" for your beers to stay chulled whilst wearing a Jersey and Jandles whilst being "Hard Case Hey" whilst you have a DB with your mates. After you funish tulling stories about how you ducked and weaved hey through a vulley that was socked in hey and you shot an IULS in the PECK 750 in amongst hulls like no other in the world hey you would then put you gym boots on and go out and pull the bist chucks out that night and take them beck to where you were flatting and show thum your......................... DVD of the PECK 750 going down the IULS hey!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway just wondering who is required to do the test?
I hope I can have any mistakes corrected before I take my test!
Beck in the Mainland there are "Chully Buns" for your beers to stay chulled whilst wearing a Jersey and Jandles whilst being "Hard Case Hey" whilst you have a DB with your mates. After you funish tulling stories about how you ducked and weaved hey through a vulley that was socked in hey and you shot an IULS in the PECK 750 in amongst hulls like no other in the world hey you would then put you gym boots on and go out and pull the bist chucks out that night and take them beck to where you were flatting and show thum your......................... DVD of the PECK 750 going down the IULS hey!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway just wondering who is required to do the test?
I hope I can have any mistakes corrected before I take my test!
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ASL (NZ) have just wheeled out the English Proficiency Test for all NZ licences (inc. PPL). $100 a to chat on the phone to confirm you speakadaenglish, or if you fail that I recall it was around $265 for further testing. No acknowledgement of prior learning either