Merged:A couple of prangs in Sth Island.
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Merged:A couple of prangs in Sth Island.
I would have thought someone with a bit more knowledge may have posted on these but FYI it seems there were a couple of prangs in NZ yesterday.
Fortunately everyone involved is ok; a 172 ran off the end of a runway at Omaka and a microlight flipped upside-down at Rangiora. It's been fairly breezy here over the past few days but I'm not sure if that was a factor. The article on the 172 suggests the pilot and/or instructor were trying to land with a significant tail-wind. Given Omaka has some shortish vectors it's unsurprising they ran out of room, sounds like they tried to go-around but were a bit late and clipped the fence. No word about what happened at Rangiora but I gather it may have been one of the microlight club Rans given the colouring.
These links refer:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4250172a11.html
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4250357a11.html
Fortunately everyone involved is ok; a 172 ran off the end of a runway at Omaka and a microlight flipped upside-down at Rangiora. It's been fairly breezy here over the past few days but I'm not sure if that was a factor. The article on the 172 suggests the pilot and/or instructor were trying to land with a significant tail-wind. Given Omaka has some shortish vectors it's unsurprising they ran out of room, sounds like they tried to go-around but were a bit late and clipped the fence. No word about what happened at Rangiora but I gather it may have been one of the microlight club Rans given the colouring.
These links refer:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4250172a11.html
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4250357a11.html
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runway 12 is very long, even with 30 knots tail wind if you approached in your 172 at the correct speed you would be luckly to use haff the runway!!!
Whay do pilots come so bloody fast these days?
Whay do pilots come so bloody fast these days?
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If you read the article about the Omaka "Prang" it says they came in down wind, well that'll make your landing much much longer, especially in that wind!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlboroughex...1433a6008.html
http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlboroughex...1433a6008.html
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Sad news indeed...
A female flight instructor died and a male student pilot suffered moderate injuries after a small plane crash in the Eastern Bay of Plenty tonight.
The Cessna 152 crashed this evening around 5pm near Ruatahuna, north west of Lake Waikaremoana in the Urewera National Park.
Northern fire communications shift manager Tony McDonald said an 18-year-old aviation student had walked away from the crash to get help.
The pair were the only ones on the plane. Police said the pilot's name would not be released until next of kin were advised.
Rotorua based BayTrust and Taupo based Lion Foundation rescue helicopters attended the crash.
BayTrust rescue helicopter base manager Barry Vincent said the aircraft was in dense vegetation in a remote area.
"We took the male patient back to Rotorua Hospital," he said St John regional operations manager Brent Neilsen said an ambulance was dispatched with the helicopters.
"St John paramedics were winched down to the site from the helicopters," Mr Neilsen said.
Police Inspector Donovan Clarke said the flight instructor's body would be recovered from the crash site in the morning. Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) will be investigating the crash.
CAA general manager safety information John Kay said investigators were flying to the site tonight.
"They will start the investigation as soon as it is safe to do so." Mr Kay said he did not yet know what had caused the crash or how long the investigation would take.
I remember thinking this afternoon that at least no lives were lost in the previous 2 prangs...then read this several minutes ago.
Condolences to family, friends and colleagues.
LP
A female flight instructor died and a male student pilot suffered moderate injuries after a small plane crash in the Eastern Bay of Plenty tonight.
The Cessna 152 crashed this evening around 5pm near Ruatahuna, north west of Lake Waikaremoana in the Urewera National Park.
Northern fire communications shift manager Tony McDonald said an 18-year-old aviation student had walked away from the crash to get help.
The pair were the only ones on the plane. Police said the pilot's name would not be released until next of kin were advised.
Rotorua based BayTrust and Taupo based Lion Foundation rescue helicopters attended the crash.
BayTrust rescue helicopter base manager Barry Vincent said the aircraft was in dense vegetation in a remote area.
"We took the male patient back to Rotorua Hospital," he said St John regional operations manager Brent Neilsen said an ambulance was dispatched with the helicopters.
"St John paramedics were winched down to the site from the helicopters," Mr Neilsen said.
Police Inspector Donovan Clarke said the flight instructor's body would be recovered from the crash site in the morning. Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) will be investigating the crash.
CAA general manager safety information John Kay said investigators were flying to the site tonight.
"They will start the investigation as soon as it is safe to do so." Mr Kay said he did not yet know what had caused the crash or how long the investigation would take.
I remember thinking this afternoon that at least no lives were lost in the previous 2 prangs...then read this several minutes ago.
Condolences to family, friends and colleagues.
LP
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ok whats going on!!!!?!?! Its been minimum 1 a day now.
Another plane has gone down this morning
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10472465
Thankfully they survived.
C185 with 4 pax at the Tangahoe Station airstrip 1130am.
Another plane has gone down this morning
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10472465
Thankfully they survived.
C185 with 4 pax at the Tangahoe Station airstrip 1130am.
Bad few days for Kiwi GA
A bad few days for GA in NZ -
Two peeps, very lucky by the sound of it, to walk away from a C152 after a tailwind overrun/overshoot accident at omaka.
One instructor lost, RIP , and one student injured in a crash near Ruatahuna, northwest of Lake Waikaremoana, student walked out for help.
And now a pilot and three hunters injured in a C185 mishap on a remote airstrip west of Ohakune!
“they” say it normally happens in threes, so hopefully that’s the end of the run! Everyone please fly bloody carefully down there! Even more so then you normally do!
Buggs out
P.s. Anyone know who's C185 it was?
Two peeps, very lucky by the sound of it, to walk away from a C152 after a tailwind overrun/overshoot accident at omaka.
One instructor lost, RIP , and one student injured in a crash near Ruatahuna, northwest of Lake Waikaremoana, student walked out for help.
And now a pilot and three hunters injured in a C185 mishap on a remote airstrip west of Ohakune!
“they” say it normally happens in threes, so hopefully that’s the end of the run! Everyone please fly bloody carefully down there! Even more so then you normally do!
Buggs out
P.s. Anyone know who's C185 it was?
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I agree buggalugs, a shockingly bad run in just a couple of days. People are out there busy making the Campaign Against Aviation's case for them. Tough to combat an entrenched stance with this sort of thing going on -regrettably, we're not even into the historically "bad period" (Xmas/NY) yet. C'mon people, play safe -live to fight another day!!! If you're wrinkle is starting to pucker, you probably don't ought to be there -bug out, think it through, come up with a better plan.
Re: the 185, keep an eye on the accident briefs on the CAA website. It'll be there before week's end.
Re: the 185, keep an eye on the accident briefs on the CAA website. It'll be there before week's end.
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Always sad to hear of a death and my sympathies.
However speaking about the 172 crash at Omaka, someones arse should be severely kicked and if this is the standard of our students, god help us, 'especially one of the best flying students'.
Not only were they downwind they were also flapless and their go around attempt consisted of full back elevator until the thing stalled, then dropped a wing and speared into the ground vertically.
They are both very lucky but lets hope that we dont have to make these bigger mistakes to learn anything.
However speaking about the 172 crash at Omaka, someones arse should be severely kicked and if this is the standard of our students, god help us, 'especially one of the best flying students'.
Not only were they downwind they were also flapless and their go around attempt consisted of full back elevator until the thing stalled, then dropped a wing and speared into the ground vertically.
They are both very lucky but lets hope that we dont have to make these bigger mistakes to learn anything.
Strong winds in a mountainous region...
It is tragic that a young life has ended, and my thoughts go out to all those who worked with and knew this person. But lets not make this out to be another "lets guess the cause because I have read the newspaper/TV/it came to me in a dream!" or "I know everything about flying so this is what happened".
Wait for the facts to come out in the accident report, learn from it and move on. Sorry but I think this is the worst thing about this industry, someone has an accident, lives are lost, and everybody starts coming out with their theories over causes and reasons, without knowing any facts.
Sorry But Rant Over!
Plucka, did you witness the accident firsthand or is that heresay? Despite what I am about to write, I find that scarily excessive.
I fly with the same group of students (albeit at a different school) and must admit that I do find lack of situational awareness to be a distinct problem.
Having spent many years overseas myself I can fully sympathise with the language barrier issue, but it seems to be more than just that. Sometimes I wonder what is required to get through to these students. They seem to be good at parroting what is shown to them but unable to do anything remotely different unless prompted or having been shown exactly the same beforehand. The number of times I have had to intervene to prevent an aircraft from driving off the side of a runway due to torque effect is unbelievable.
They are not unintelligent fellows, but it is quite clear that traditional kiwi (western?) teaching methods just do not work as well as they need to most of the time.
Perhaps a lot of instructors give up due to the language barrier... correct their mistakes for them, without trying to teach them, and leave it there??
The only time I have experienced anything at all similar is when teaching a celebrity who had been clearly wrapped in cotton wool throughout their previous flying with a fan/instructor....
An a side note, a LOT of flying is being done by international students now, and it wouldnt surprise me if close to half of the flight training going on in NZ is such. So, it is not really fair to be making any bold statements about their safety until at least half of the training incidents/accidents in NZ are directly contributable to international students.
The above has absolutely no relation to the Bay of Plenty accident.
RIP
I fly with the same group of students (albeit at a different school) and must admit that I do find lack of situational awareness to be a distinct problem.
Having spent many years overseas myself I can fully sympathise with the language barrier issue, but it seems to be more than just that. Sometimes I wonder what is required to get through to these students. They seem to be good at parroting what is shown to them but unable to do anything remotely different unless prompted or having been shown exactly the same beforehand. The number of times I have had to intervene to prevent an aircraft from driving off the side of a runway due to torque effect is unbelievable.
They are not unintelligent fellows, but it is quite clear that traditional kiwi (western?) teaching methods just do not work as well as they need to most of the time.
Perhaps a lot of instructors give up due to the language barrier... correct their mistakes for them, without trying to teach them, and leave it there??
The only time I have experienced anything at all similar is when teaching a celebrity who had been clearly wrapped in cotton wool throughout their previous flying with a fan/instructor....
An a side note, a LOT of flying is being done by international students now, and it wouldnt surprise me if close to half of the flight training going on in NZ is such. So, it is not really fair to be making any bold statements about their safety until at least half of the training incidents/accidents in NZ are directly contributable to international students.
The above has absolutely no relation to the Bay of Plenty accident.
RIP
According to TVNZ, the young girl who was killed yesterday:
"With four years and 500,000 hours behind the controls, O'Reilly's bosses considered her an experienced instructor."
She did have 500 hours though.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1316907/1417278
A great shame for GA in New Zealand with all the accidents of late.
"With four years and 500,000 hours behind the controls, O'Reilly's bosses considered her an experienced instructor."
She did have 500 hours though.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1316907/1417278
A great shame for GA in New Zealand with all the accidents of late.