Skydiving dogs
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I have been doing some work with some skydivers that want to take a dog for a tandem jump. I told them that a dog can't go in plane without being in a proper animal container, but they reckon its been done before and has all been cleared through CASA. Obviously I'm going to check with CASA for the offical answer (even though I'm pretty sure I know what they'll say). Just wanted some other opinons first on the off chance that it can be done
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so what your saying is ....that this is a 4 legged dog......... as opposed to some of the 2 legged dogs Ive been dating.........guess I misunderstood the post 
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There's been plenty of skydiving dogs in Australia.
I think if the dog was held secuely in it's harness and attached to it's meatbomb master it would probably satisfy CASA's requirement for the restraint mechanism as opposed to being inside an approved dog tainer. Maybe you would just have to have the absorbent pad on the floor in case said dog gets a bit excited and takes a leak.
There are far more serious things that go on with skydiving that CASA don't seem to worry about.
Reminds me of a joke:
Why don't blind people skydive?
Because it scares the sh1t out of the guide dog
I think if the dog was held secuely in it's harness and attached to it's meatbomb master it would probably satisfy CASA's requirement for the restraint mechanism as opposed to being inside an approved dog tainer. Maybe you would just have to have the absorbent pad on the floor in case said dog gets a bit excited and takes a leak.
There are far more serious things that go on with skydiving that CASA don't seem to worry about.
Reminds me of a joke:
Why don't blind people skydive?
Because it scares the sh1t out of the guide dog
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Why don't blind people skydive?
Because it scares the sh1t out of the guide dog
Because it scares the sh1t out of the guide dog
My 2 cents worth - Sky diving with Dogs? Unless someone reports you in the industry you are safe
CASA are only concerned when things go pear shape or effects safety before it happens. Then be prepared to justify your actions in court.
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In the 70's and 80's I used to cart my Lab around in aeroplanes. She was a very relaxed traveller and just went to sleep on the back seat. Contrary to the Regs - but what the ....
I seem to recall seeing various TV items about dogs that had accompanied their owners on jumps - restained in some sort of harness.
However, in the animal welfare climate of the third millenium, my personal advice to you is DO NOT DO THIS. Current animal welfare legislation in most States has long sharp teeth. You could find yourself on the wrong side of a prosecution, trying to demonstrate that there was some valid reason for subjecting a dog to the inevitable stressors (small though they may be) associated with such an event - which is carried out solely for the ego of the owner.
One could easily argue that your organisation would need the approval of an Animal Ethics Committee to conduct such operations - you won't get it!
I have some expertise in this area. Take my advise - don't participate!
Dr
In the 70's and 80's I used to cart my Lab around in aeroplanes. She was a very relaxed traveller and just went to sleep on the back seat. Contrary to the Regs - but what the ....
I seem to recall seeing various TV items about dogs that had accompanied their owners on jumps - restained in some sort of harness.
However, in the animal welfare climate of the third millenium, my personal advice to you is DO NOT DO THIS. Current animal welfare legislation in most States has long sharp teeth. You could find yourself on the wrong side of a prosecution, trying to demonstrate that there was some valid reason for subjecting a dog to the inevitable stressors (small though they may be) associated with such an event - which is carried out solely for the ego of the owner.
One could easily argue that your organisation would need the approval of an Animal Ethics Committee to conduct such operations - you won't get it!
I have some expertise in this area. Take my advise - don't participate!
Dr
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Four legged skydivers?
I long time ago I was very interested in skydiving, and read in a skydiving magazine about a bloke who took his german shepherd on a skydive.
He described how the dog tried to find something to stand on, then tried the skydiving techniques, and finally gave up and relaxed for the remainder of the jump.
When they landed it bit him.
He described how the dog tried to find something to stand on, then tried the skydiving techniques, and finally gave up and relaxed for the remainder of the jump.
When they landed it bit him.
Kooralbyn had a terrier (?) I think that was zipped into a body harness and attached to the skydiver via a vest.
Check with them.
Photos appearded about three years ago in the APF mag I'm pretty sure.
Check with them.
Photos appearded about three years ago in the APF mag I'm pretty sure.
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Why don't blind people skydive?
Because it scares the sh1t out of the guide dog
Because it scares the sh1t out of the guide dog
Guy I used to share a house with used to take his blue heeler hanggliding in Cairns all the time. Saw a photo of him and canine hanggliding in a Sydney paper a few months back.
As for dogs in aircraft, in Alaska a guy was killed by his unrestrained dog in the backseat smashing into the back his head forcing it into the panel during a forced landing. Crash analysis suggested that he would have otherwise survived.
As for dogs in aircraft, in Alaska a guy was killed by his unrestrained dog in the backseat smashing into the back his head forcing it into the panel during a forced landing. Crash analysis suggested that he would have otherwise survived.
As for dogs in aircraft, in Alaska a guy was killed by his unrestrained dog in the backseat smashing into the back his head forcing it into the panel during a forced landing. Crash analysis suggested that he would have otherwise survived.
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I'm not generally an animal activist, but what what kind of a sick person can come to the conclusion that it is appropriate to take his/her dog skydiving.
These sort of people should not have pets.
These sort of people should not have pets.
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What sea-captain said...
If it were me I wouldn't be looking for an exemption or legal excuse to do it, I'd be finding a way to tell the client that I cant, or wont do it - and encouraging them to find some other way to 'spoil' their dog.
Theres something that grinds my gears when people love their animals SO much they actually think they're human and treat them as such.
If the dog wants to jump so bad and it signs the same waiver its owner signs, I guess I'd be happy for it to jump.
VH-AJM.
If it were me I wouldn't be looking for an exemption or legal excuse to do it, I'd be finding a way to tell the client that I cant, or wont do it - and encouraging them to find some other way to 'spoil' their dog.
Theres something that grinds my gears when people love their animals SO much they actually think they're human and treat them as such.
If the dog wants to jump so bad and it signs the same waiver its owner signs, I guess I'd be happy for it to jump.
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Just once when all the skydiver/skydiving bashing starts in this forum it would be interesting to see the pilot who gobs off having the balls to say half of what they say here at the dropzone (to the skydivers they might be enjoying a beer with at the time...) where they are supposedly employed/accruing hours?
If you dont like it stay the hell away from that particular branch of aviation or is this the only way you can get some hours up? Sheesh all but a few of the diver drivers in here do is just bitch about the people they are actually working for - dont like it...go elsewhere!! /rant
For the record I dont understand why you would want to take a dog for a jump, it would be far more entertaining to take a cat...well for the rest of us on the load anyways...
(and yes I am a meatbomb as well as a maintainer, not some young I wanna fly a Boeing type that usually works as a jump pilot)
If you dont like it stay the hell away from that particular branch of aviation or is this the only way you can get some hours up? Sheesh all but a few of the diver drivers in here do is just bitch about the people they are actually working for - dont like it...go elsewhere!! /rant
For the record I dont understand why you would want to take a dog for a jump, it would be far more entertaining to take a cat...well for the rest of us on the load anyways...
(and yes I am a meatbomb as well as a maintainer, not some young I wanna fly a Boeing type that usually works as a jump pilot)
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Quote compressor stall....."As for dogs in aircraft, in Alaska a guy was killed by his unrestrained dog in the backseat smashing into the back his head forcing it into the panel during a forced landing. Crash analysis suggested that he would have otherwise survived".
CS...A valid point.....flew for 10 yrs in Alaska....and did several years contracting in a C-207(my own aircraft)....for/during the Iditorod dog race...our job was to fly dogs,vets,food,etc all over the state.......the one thing I did learn was that all dogs had to be retrained.....we used tie-downs to the floor,inserted into the seat rack fairings to their collars on a short lease(6 dogs max)even the injured ones,were restrained......these animals were so hyper-active that you had no choice......
Flew smoke-jumpers out of Fairbanks during the fire season,through the Delta region....on several occassions they took dogs.....they were always restrained...etheir tie-down leash,or to the owner...never allowed to "run free".............as with most cargo,it always had to tied down or restrained.... sort of makes sense really..
CS...A valid point.....flew for 10 yrs in Alaska....and did several years contracting in a C-207(my own aircraft)....for/during the Iditorod dog race...our job was to fly dogs,vets,food,etc all over the state.......the one thing I did learn was that all dogs had to be retrained.....we used tie-downs to the floor,inserted into the seat rack fairings to their collars on a short lease(6 dogs max)even the injured ones,were restrained......these animals were so hyper-active that you had no choice......
Flew smoke-jumpers out of Fairbanks during the fire season,through the Delta region....on several occassions they took dogs.....they were always restrained...etheir tie-down leash,or to the owner...never allowed to "run free".............as with most cargo,it always had to tied down or restrained.... sort of makes sense really..
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it would be far more entertaining to take a cat