Loyalty in Aviation
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Loyalty in Aviation
"Do you think that organisation should keep on giving free endorsements, and no bonds?"
No I don't Bushy. I think they should forget about being nice guys and start to treat their employees like all of the other cretins that have been alluded to in this thread, and very often mentioned in many other threads.
Funny isn't it, so many pilots tell of the employers who treat them (and all others) like cr*p, but rarely do we get the other side. Here is a mob who is trying (and this is only my observation of the scuttlebutt I have received) to do the right thing, and screw themselves in so doing. So many tell it as they see it (and I suppose I can't blame them if this is genuinely how they have been shafted), but very few seem to acknowledge the good guys. Bonding, return of service, etc etc., it would appear that there is a lot of merit in doing this by employers, if when they don't, they cop it in the ar*e!
Another funny bit ...... I thought the last paragraph might have got the fingers going on the keyboards out there, but I guess all who fit this catagory are LOYAL!
No I don't Bushy. I think they should forget about being nice guys and start to treat their employees like all of the other cretins that have been alluded to in this thread, and very often mentioned in many other threads.
Funny isn't it, so many pilots tell of the employers who treat them (and all others) like cr*p, but rarely do we get the other side. Here is a mob who is trying (and this is only my observation of the scuttlebutt I have received) to do the right thing, and screw themselves in so doing. So many tell it as they see it (and I suppose I can't blame them if this is genuinely how they have been shafted), but very few seem to acknowledge the good guys. Bonding, return of service, etc etc., it would appear that there is a lot of merit in doing this by employers, if when they don't, they cop it in the ar*e!
Another funny bit ...... I thought the last paragraph might have got the fingers going on the keyboards out there, but I guess all who fit this catagory are LOYAL!
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At some point you must ask yourself who you work for. For instance, I go to work for my family and not my employer. My GA employer is fantastic and at the moment I am on a good learning curve. When the time comes I will have to leave to further my career, lets face it, I cannot expect my employer to purchase a Kingair, Dash 8 or Citation. So if you feel you need to progress and you can honestly say that you are ready to, then a good employer will recognise this fact and hold no hard feelings.
I would sit down and have a chat with them and express your feelings and as to why you are considering the change.
Good luck with which ever way you go.
I would sit down and have a chat with them and express your feelings and as to why you are considering the change.
Good luck with which ever way you go.
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In times like these you could wait for a bigger turbine gig and stay where you are.
Years ago you had to just take what you could get. A good piston operator can be a good place to wait rather than going to a small turbine operator..... have seen chaps go straight to jets from pistons.......
What is morale like over the road?
Years ago you had to just take what you could get. A good piston operator can be a good place to wait rather than going to a small turbine operator..... have seen chaps go straight to jets from pistons.......
What is morale like over the road?
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No, although I have been there many times. I was based in SY for 25 yrs and then the Nth Coast and finally Qld. ABX was bought to Oz by Jimmy Hazelton when it was brand new (1965), and I believe it was the first Aztec out here. A great old tub, although it used to worry me when the moonlight reflected on the fuel leaking into the fuel pressure gauge!! Used to half fill the gauge.
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When you are employed casually in GA and at times barely making enough to feed yourself , sometimes the only option to seek work elsewhere. Living on $200 a week ain't much fun.
Also working your arse off for a company who doesn't give a **** about you and can't even try and see the difference between the pilots who do try and give 110% and the ones that just care about them selves - well they don't exactly promote pilot loyalty either. These companies will get what they deserve and I understand Bushy, that is exactly what is happening in your part of the world right now.
Also working your arse off for a company who doesn't give a **** about you and can't even try and see the difference between the pilots who do try and give 110% and the ones that just care about them selves - well they don't exactly promote pilot loyalty either. These companies will get what they deserve and I understand Bushy, that is exactly what is happening in your part of the world right now.
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From my experience the amount of loyalty shown by your boss is directly proportional to the financial position of the company. I suppose this goes without saying. 2/3 years of hard work, including countless amounts of overtime, counts for nothing when the boss begins to feel the pinch.
I could see the writing on the walls and the day I left this particular company the boss said (paraphrase):
After saying how angry/dissapointed he was that I left when I did, he finished by saying "but I suppose in a month I would have had nothing for you and had to get rid of you anyway."
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I could see the writing on the walls and the day I left this particular company the boss said (paraphrase):
After saying how angry/dissapointed he was that I left when I did, he finished by saying "but I suppose in a month I would have had nothing for you and had to get rid of you anyway."
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its a bloody joke!cleaner or kitchen hands(dishwashers) get payed 100k+ up at the mines and we as proff. Pilots get payed 30k! for living in the middle of nowhere.
Not to say how much an engineer gets up there!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to say how much an engineer gets up there!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are there many operators around STILL paying below minimum wage? What is it about this industry that makes operators think they can get away with it? For some reason, do pilots just never bother to mention it to the Industrial Relations people?
Like the Caravan pilot who suggested to me that with my experience, I should be willing to work for free? 
A job's a job - and just because an employer pays the minimum wage, doesnt mean they are a good employer. Its called minimum wage, not decent-enough-to-live-properly-on wage.
A job's a job - and just because an employer pays the minimum wage, doesnt mean they are a good employer. Its called minimum wage, not decent-enough-to-live-properly-on wage.
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I will probably get in the sh*t with my source for this post, but the mobile was a buzzing last night, and the word is they are looking for pilot/s for a 19 seat skinny aircraft! Now for those out there who arn't as loyal as me, PM me and I will pass on a little detail of how to contact them. My buddy will be livered when he catches on, but then again he wants the upgrade to this gig. Sorry for him though, he is a long long way short for this one. He knows it, but reckons his loyalty will stand him in good stead.
Back to the loyalty thingy,
-Gregbih, go work in the mines and see if you enjoy it as much as flying! No way buddy.
-Bushy, I agree with your inference, you aint gunna make big money flying small planes, you might flying big planes. Reality says not a lot are gunna be flying big planes when put in comparision. we fly because that is what we wanted to do, and if it was just for the money..............?
-Lasiorhinus, what minimum wage? If you arn't employed full time, there dosn't appear to be a minimum wage.
-Paper Planes, you got it mate!
So where am I coming from...............Get of your high horses and treat your employer how you want to be treated and you just might be respected for your expertise and your LOYALTY! I am, and I love it.
And as for you puma4319, do what you gotta do and live with the consequences. Just remember, it may come back and bite you on the ar*se one day. If your boss is so good now, will he be the same when you need a hand in the future. Most would tell you to take a jump, but if he is as good as you say he is, maybe he will still treat you well. My suspicion is that he might be like my man, a joy to work for, and one who gives me adequate money and opportunity to boot. Sure if the ride you are going for is way up the scale, move on, but do it properly, and leave on real good terms...................you never know! I'm staying where I am because I reckon I am in the box seat for the future with him, whatever it is.
Good luck with your dilema, but think hard.
Back to the loyalty thingy,
-Gregbih, go work in the mines and see if you enjoy it as much as flying! No way buddy.
-Bushy, I agree with your inference, you aint gunna make big money flying small planes, you might flying big planes. Reality says not a lot are gunna be flying big planes when put in comparision. we fly because that is what we wanted to do, and if it was just for the money..............?
-Lasiorhinus, what minimum wage? If you arn't employed full time, there dosn't appear to be a minimum wage.
-Paper Planes, you got it mate!
So where am I coming from...............Get of your high horses and treat your employer how you want to be treated and you just might be respected for your expertise and your LOYALTY! I am, and I love it.
And as for you puma4319, do what you gotta do and live with the consequences. Just remember, it may come back and bite you on the ar*se one day. If your boss is so good now, will he be the same when you need a hand in the future. Most would tell you to take a jump, but if he is as good as you say he is, maybe he will still treat you well. My suspicion is that he might be like my man, a joy to work for, and one who gives me adequate money and opportunity to boot. Sure if the ride you are going for is way up the scale, move on, but do it properly, and leave on real good terms...................you never know! I'm staying where I am because I reckon I am in the box seat for the future with him, whatever it is.
Good luck with your dilema, but think hard.
