Looking for a fast, affordable, IFR single...
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CC -
Are G1000 retrofits avaliable for older machines? What sort of cost would that involve?
Also - I see no mention of TB-20/21 Trinidads....does anybody rate them at all?
LP
have only a few thousand hrs on the airframe and are ripe for upgrades with modern technology avionics
Also - I see no mention of TB-20/21 Trinidads....does anybody rate them at all?
LP
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Food for thought
Good thoughts, you lot, and thanks for keeping it friendly. I've just read all of the above, having just landed after a fairly short (400 NM @ 200 knots) but very bumpy flight down the length of the South Island on which my girlfriend puked no less than 4 different times. Which has REALLY convinced me it's time to be a grown up, and get a proper aeroplane as well
Thanks for all the input; I will consider and come back with more questions, soon enough.
To answer CC's direct question, I am no longer entirely sure that I WANT to fly my Aztec back to NZ from the US. It's definitely the right machine to cut my IFR teeth on, and in fact I intend to do just that - IN THE US. Yes, it's got ALL the IFR stuff, and I thought I'd get an IFR rating over there first - partly cos I can't get my L-39 rating till I have a US IFR rating, due to recent rule change. But the Aztec ain't the machine for me in NZ. Once I'm comfortable and competent with IFR I'm sure it'll be too slow - its alleged 160 knots is just bollocks, with TAS still air seemingly more like 145 - and now I know a lot more about M/E flying than I did before, I just don't want to fly an old twin over the Pacific. I'd rather fly a new(ish) single, all ferry tanked up, cos as you guys no doubt know (but I, foolishly, didn't) an engine failure on an over-grossed twin means you goin' down anyway. And of course the chances of engine problem are doubled. So yeah, I know the Aztec would be good for NZ IFR for a while, but it's just too slow. Hence I'm looking for something faster, for NZ, once I get comfortable with IFR in the US Aztec....
Thanks again for all the good advice. Am not hearing anything yet that's turned me off a Bo, but we'll see. I'll have more questions soon CC, I was thinking about maybe an Aerostar 
Thanks for all the input; I will consider and come back with more questions, soon enough. To answer CC's direct question, I am no longer entirely sure that I WANT to fly my Aztec back to NZ from the US. It's definitely the right machine to cut my IFR teeth on, and in fact I intend to do just that - IN THE US. Yes, it's got ALL the IFR stuff, and I thought I'd get an IFR rating over there first - partly cos I can't get my L-39 rating till I have a US IFR rating, due to recent rule change. But the Aztec ain't the machine for me in NZ. Once I'm comfortable and competent with IFR I'm sure it'll be too slow - its alleged 160 knots is just bollocks, with TAS still air seemingly more like 145 - and now I know a lot more about M/E flying than I did before, I just don't want to fly an old twin over the Pacific. I'd rather fly a new(ish) single, all ferry tanked up, cos as you guys no doubt know (but I, foolishly, didn't) an engine failure on an over-grossed twin means you goin' down anyway. And of course the chances of engine problem are doubled. So yeah, I know the Aztec would be good for NZ IFR for a while, but it's just too slow. Hence I'm looking for something faster, for NZ, once I get comfortable with IFR in the US Aztec....
Thanks again for all the good advice. Am not hearing anything yet that's turned me off a Bo, but we'll see. I'll have more questions soon
CC, I was thinking about maybe an Aerostar
Are G1000 retrofits avaliable for older machines? What sort of cost would that involve?
For retrofit into existing aircraft you have the G600 with smaller displays which is sized to replace the standard 6 pack of flight instruments.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=153&pID=6427
But personally I think this is better,
http://www.aspenavionics.com/index.p...cts/evolution/
It comes with it's own back up power source and back up GPS built in and is designed to interface with existing radios and autopilots. Also if you have room on the panel to relocate the two instruments it displaces then you can have two complete sets of instruments independantly powered.
Grandpa Aerotart
Purely subjective I know...but for me the sexiest aeroplane ever built is the E55 Baron.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/search.jsp...odelgroup=true
And out of that list this one is the one that floats my boat.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_v...xxxregionid=-1
Plenty of engine life left by the looks...low TTAF...just sex on a stick. 200kts + without TN
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/search.jsp...odelgroup=true
And out of that list this one is the one that floats my boat.
http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_v...xxxregionid=-1
Plenty of engine life left by the looks...low TTAF...just sex on a stick. 200kts + without TN
Grandpa Aerotart
Well I will admit the E55 needs the long nose and a good paint job...but honestly..look at the 76 model I've linked to above and tell me it's not sexy.
Certainly the 58 is a nice looker.
Certainly the 58 is a nice looker.
I've always been intriguedby the 56TC.
With those big 380hp TEIUPXYZIO-540's lurking under the cowls (some sort of phallic symbolism there perhaps?) it must have been a real rocket ship. Anyone had the pleasure?
With those big 380hp TEIUPXYZIO-540's lurking under the cowls (some sort of phallic symbolism there perhaps?) it must have been a real rocket ship. Anyone had the pleasure?
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Hmmm ... PC-12 I flew a brand new one of them the other day - it had 83 Hrs TTIS on it. Tell you what, they've fixed the roll control forces (now 70% lighter). Went all the way to non-std FL300. Thanks to Sebastian!
Very nice. MRs Toad says I can have one when I win the lotto.
I'll stick to my C210 for the time being.
Very nice. MRs Toad says I can have one when I win the lotto.
I'll stick to my C210 for the time being.
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At the Risk of Being Labelled a DH
Why is no-one talking about the F33A here? I have never flown one so have no opinion, but I would like to know what people think. The second-type Model 33 was in production for 36 years, which is about the same length of time that the Model 35 was.
With 285 BHP under the cowl and a cruise of 172 kts, on paper it looks like a reasonable critter. Sure they're only four-place, but how often do you fill all available seats in a V35 or A36 anyway?
I am genuinely interested in what people think.
Walrus
With 285 BHP under the cowl and a cruise of 172 kts, on paper it looks like a reasonable critter. Sure they're only four-place, but how often do you fill all available seats in a V35 or A36 anyway?
I am genuinely interested in what people think.
Walrus
"Why is no-one talking about the F33A here?"
Probably because if you are going to fly a short-bodied Bonanza, you might as well fly the really, really sexy one!
The 33 flys almost exactly like the 35. Same speed (172 kts? Yeah right - flat out down low maybe!). See my earlier post on the V35B - the IO520 BE33 performs the same.
Wags its tail a little less - but still likes to wag in turbulence. C of G less of an issue than the 35, but still requires attention.
Still a Beech Bonanza, so a very desireable aeroplane.
OK, I'll reluctantly admit it - You make a good point Walrus!
But if I was in the marketplace for a Bo, I'd go for the A36!
Dr
Probably because if you are going to fly a short-bodied Bonanza, you might as well fly the really, really sexy one!
The 33 flys almost exactly like the 35. Same speed (172 kts? Yeah right - flat out down low maybe!). See my earlier post on the V35B - the IO520 BE33 performs the same.
Wags its tail a little less - but still likes to wag in turbulence. C of G less of an issue than the 35, but still requires attention.
Still a Beech Bonanza, so a very desireable aeroplane.
OK, I'll reluctantly admit it - You make a good point Walrus!
But if I was in the marketplace for a Bo, I'd go for the A36!
Dr
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Yup...F33a=V35B. Basically interchangeable aircraft...maybe the V tail makes the 35 slightly more sensitive CofG wise but I don't think the tail is the main issue. In the latest ABS mag the 'Bo of the mth' article is from a Seattle area based owner of a '93 F33. He just upgraded the aircraft with TKS deice, new paint, tip tanks and a Gamispec TNIO550B and is as happy as a dog with two dicks...he makes special mention of the postive effect the mods had on CofG and payload etc...in his view he now owns the perfect 4 seater...and I reckon he is right.
The same fella had witten an article almost a year ago after the all cylinder monitor he'd recently fitted with his gamijectors gave him a heads up (one out of control CHT) that made him divert at low power to a nearby airfield and when they opened the cowl the offending cylinder had a crack around it that would bring tears to your eyes...he couldn't have been much more than minutes away from a catastrophic failure..instead the local mechanics changed that one cylinder and he was on his way to (last years) Oshkosh arriving only a day later than planned...The EDM people at the show were fascinated to download the stored data from his EDM 700 and use it as advertising/educational material at the show along with digital images of the effending cylinder...they probably sold a bunch of engine monitors as a result.
The same fella had witten an article almost a year ago after the all cylinder monitor he'd recently fitted with his gamijectors gave him a heads up (one out of control CHT) that made him divert at low power to a nearby airfield and when they opened the cowl the offending cylinder had a crack around it that would bring tears to your eyes...he couldn't have been much more than minutes away from a catastrophic failure..instead the local mechanics changed that one cylinder and he was on his way to (last years) Oshkosh arriving only a day later than planned...The EDM people at the show were fascinated to download the stored data from his EDM 700 and use it as advertising/educational material at the show along with digital images of the effending cylinder...they probably sold a bunch of engine monitors as a result.
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There is no question about it.
C210 all the way. N series.
Even better if you can get one that has had the glass refit.
Best advert for them - they are used extensively in top end for payload,range, speed, economy
C210 all the way. N series.
Even better if you can get one that has had the glass refit.
Best advert for them - they are used extensively in top end for payload,range, speed, economy
The 33 flys almost exactly like the 35.