Mitsubishi MU-2 Marquise
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Mitsubishi MU-2 Marquise
Hi. Anyone out there have any experience operating Mitsubishi Mu-2's? My outfit is thinking of finally getting into turbines. Currently we have aztecs and i just snagged a great contract that will finally get us our first Jet a-1 rocket. Prerequisites are us$500t budget, in and out of 800-meter runways, 1000kilos capacity. Thankz in advance for your opinions!
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Would of thought they have been and gone.
Your not asking for much - Prerequisites are us$500t budget, in and out of 800-meter runways!
Should make for exciting times for the company bean counters and the pilots watching the runway disappear behind them and the runway end fast approaching.
Just about the complete reverse to the hatstack.
Your not asking for much - Prerequisites are us$500t budget, in and out of 800-meter runways!
Should make for exciting times for the company bean counters and the pilots watching the runway disappear behind them and the runway end fast approaching.
Just about the complete reverse to the hatstack.
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I think there is only 1 or 2 on the Aussie register.
I looked at getting one not so long ago but i didnt really think for our operation is was financiallyviable because it was decked out like a VIP thing.
they are fast yes, good altitude but they had MASIVE problems with them in the U.S.
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I looked at getting one not so long ago but i didnt really think for our operation is was financiallyviable because it was decked out like a VIP thing.
they are fast yes, good altitude but they had MASIVE problems with them in the U.S.
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I thought they were banned from pax charter ops in oz. Never really got the jist behind the spoilerons way of thinking. I heard not good with ice and slow speeds!
Should be able to pick up a conquest for cheap these days!
There was an article on the MU-2 in the used aircraft buyers guide (US Yearly publication I think) Went into great detail the maintenance and training required for the beast. Also had many other turboprops too!
Should be able to pick up a conquest for cheap these days!
There was an article on the MU-2 in the used aircraft buyers guide (US Yearly publication I think) Went into great detail the maintenance and training required for the beast. Also had many other turboprops too!
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Have a search on the CASA site for all the ADs on this thing...pages and pages...
Also, I vaguely remember looking through the CAOs (I think) when doing my PPL and thought this was one you'd need to get a degree for...how many people have an endorsement for this thing?
not many I would guess...
sc
Also, I vaguely remember looking through the CAOs (I think) when doing my PPL and thought this was one you'd need to get a degree for...how many people have an endorsement for this thing?
not many I would guess...
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..............wowowo............. aztecs to MU-2............some big bridge to jump...........never the less can be done obviously. Like someone said here they lost a friend in one. I was working at Tulla one night (in the refuelling game way back then) when one didn't quite make the threshold on rwy 27 at ML, the radar track showed the poor (somewhat inexperienced guy I latter heard) was simply way behind the plane as in going thru the ILS constantly. Poor WX, ice on wings (so they say) & at night with frieght he bought the farm & had us all stunned at the airport that night. Look into what distances the Co. would generally need to cover as well as strip types etc. you mentioned 800m mtrs, that's not much even for a rugged airframe such as the B200 KingAir. Cessna Conquests might be a better proposition as mentioned within these pages ('cause the B200's are quite expensive & not overly fast) but if it has to be an MU-2 do plenty of research before going down that path 'cause like all airframes they will have their limitations. Just quickly also whilst I was working at ML airport years ago an MU-2 freighter started taxiing at night in lousy WX single pilot when he accidently taxied off the apron onto the grass into one of the large concrete fuel line access pits & promptly wrecked the airframe!, R/H U/C collapsed & the R/H prop dug us a nice new access whole !!!, still you can do that in a C172 I guess !:-)
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always fly with caution,
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Thanks for the inputs. Forgot to say i'm in the Philippines..so no worries with Ice. Proposed MU2 Sectors are 3 hours a day 5 days a week...300nm to 500nm each leg..King-air 90's i think will be too slow. Aztecs i'm using (one ex vh rego) flies different contract..though Mu-2 can fly to same airstrips im using on the Aztec (that's why i need 1ton load on 800m strip)Saw a few on tradeaplane.com under us$500g's. Can't think of any other aircraft that'll do the same mission on similar money...but good Pilots getting harder to find over here. 
Mate, try looking if you can get a shorts 330. Half a mil might be pushing it but rugged as hell for dirt strips, can carry a bundle and can pull off that landing distance after burning some juice. Google Arctic circle air for dimensions on baggage compartment, etc.
They are, however, only as fast as a King Air 90 but unpressurised and burn around a 1000lb an hour. Big square fuselage means carrying bulk is a piece of cake.
They are, however, only as fast as a King Air 90 but unpressurised and burn around a 1000lb an hour. Big square fuselage means carrying bulk is a piece of cake.
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to much drama refueling them. if you fill the tip tanks before the inboards, they fall over. you have to half fill one side, them go around and fill the other side, then go back and top off the first side if you want to avoid bent wings and amusing photographs.
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800m strip, hot humid day in the Philippines, hope it isn't too high in the mountains. That 800m strip is sounding shorter and shorter!
What about the Shorts Skyvan or CASA-212?? If it never works out theres a bloke in the Oz PPRUNE that would love to turn it into a garden shed/cubby house!
What about the Shorts Skyvan or CASA-212?? If it never works out theres a bloke in the Oz PPRUNE that would love to turn it into a garden shed/cubby house!
Quote: Forgot to say i'm in the Philippines..so no worries with Ice.
Thrust Clb the MU2 doesn`t have a problem with ice on the ground (or maybe it does)- but it does have a problem with Ice at 20,000 feet. The accidents that have occurred have been as a result of ice build up and the aircraft entering an unrecoverable flat spin.
These accidents have happened in all climates from the tropics downwards. You will have a problem with ice in the Philipines in this aircraft.
Accidents in the States I have read about are also as a result of getting slow, applying "aileron" (read spoilers) and as a result of the spoiler drag losing control.
This is not a safe aircraft for any region in the world.
Thrust Clb the MU2 doesn`t have a problem with ice on the ground (or maybe it does)- but it does have a problem with Ice at 20,000 feet. The accidents that have occurred have been as a result of ice build up and the aircraft entering an unrecoverable flat spin.
These accidents have happened in all climates from the tropics downwards. You will have a problem with ice in the Philipines in this aircraft.
Accidents in the States I have read about are also as a result of getting slow, applying "aileron" (read spoilers) and as a result of the spoiler drag losing control.
This is not a safe aircraft for any region in the world.
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Yeah you guys are right. I just recieved a copy from the Marquise flight Manual. At 20deg flaps/zero wind/sea level and isa plus 15, it needs 3400 feet to clear 50ft obstacle.
Casa 212 should be it.. but contract states PRESSURIZED AIRCRAFT only. Any more good ideas?
Casa 212 should be it.. but contract states PRESSURIZED AIRCRAFT only. Any more good ideas?
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..................look with only a 500K budget yr simply asking too much. Do yourself & the Co. a fav, forget the MU-2. Best go back to the drawing board & make the required rwy length & sector lengths fit the plane, not make the the plane fit into where it simply can't go ! The B200 would be perfect in most ways but obviously way off the mark money wise. Casa 212?............yeah might work, but also engineering support & spares would also be an issue.............there's a whole gammit of things to consider other than having $500K burning a hole in ones pocket!:-)
Keep researching, there's a loooooooong way to go for you, don't get dissheartened, to every problem there's a solution:-)
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Keep researching, there's a loooooooong way to go for you, don't get dissheartened, to every problem there's a solution:-)
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Just thinking outside the box here, why not hire a bulldozer and put an extra 400m on the end of the strip? Doesnt work too well if the strip is already the length of an island!
Fair few places in oz have done it to get new contracts going.
Fair few places in oz have done it to get new contracts going.