ASIC Renewal: Worth it?
who and where are the options, and any idea's in the cost differences, rather than going through the 'dept.' and perhapps loosing both time on the card and also a fair amount of money.
Aviationid Australia quotes $143
Sent my application to AVid today. I'll post how long it takes.
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Costs will vary widely and some may not issue at all to people not actually working on their airport. Give some of them a call and find out.
Bentleg,
I think your option is by far the smartest and more pilots should go through AviationID Australia. I fear those prices though may soon go up as the background checking through the newly created Auscheck costs over $80 whereas the AFP conducted check was $49.00.
Costs will vary widely and some may not issue at all to people not actually working on their airport. Give some of them a call and find out.
Bentleg,
I think your option is by far the smartest and more pilots should go through AviationID Australia. I fear those prices though may soon go up as the background checking through the newly created Auscheck costs over $80 whereas the AFP conducted check was $49.00.
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I always thought that things were changed, new departments created or consolidated etc in order to make things more efficient.
If the cost of checks via AusCheck has almost DOUBLED, how the hell can that be more efficient, and just what was achieved by consolidating into the one body?
If the cost of checks via AusCheck has almost DOUBLED, how the hell can that be more efficient, and just what was achieved by consolidating into the one body?
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Just rang Aviation ID to get their postal address, and found their prices have been forced up by our @#$%^ goverment because of a $40:00 surcharge as of Monday this week. Prices are now CASA $195:00 and Aviation ID $182:00. If you go through Aviation ID they require a photo copy of your AVID (pilot's licence) as a refrence.
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When we get the change of government at the end of the year, what are the chances of the new minister having a bit of a cleanup of DOTARS and their regs? Unless the same bunch of clowns get to stay on in the APS and give the same flawed, self serving advice.
Typical of DOTARS and the govt leaving it up to the issuing authorities to be the bearer of bad news to the ASIC holders. It should have been DOTARS themselves letting everyone know about this fee rise.
Bunch of useless twats
On the upside - if there is such a thing in this mess. I received back today an Auscheck clearance that was submitted on Monday. So at least they are living up their promise of security check turnarounds in most cases within 5 days.
Typical of DOTARS and the govt leaving it up to the issuing authorities to be the bearer of bad news to the ASIC holders. It should have been DOTARS themselves letting everyone know about this fee rise.
Bunch of useless twats
On the upside - if there is such a thing in this mess. I received back today an Auscheck clearance that was submitted on Monday. So at least they are living up their promise of security check turnarounds in most cases within 5 days.
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CRACKcheck - the great aviation robbery & con
if the foreign crew carting the 21 million passengers in and out of Australia last year dont have to have checks then WHY the domestic pilots....I say NO to the whole system and do what the rest of the world does....COMPANY ISSUED and controlled ID card.......
AUScheck or perhaps better known as CRACKcheck or whoever can do their own bloody checks behind the scenes at THEIR own expense not ripoff the aviation fraternity for $195 every two years for something that we did not ask for, that the rest of the world does not have, that does not work but we have to pay for...sounds like Australia.
Anyhow...its such a good system nobody can tell who is a pilot or a bag snatcher or a refueller or whatever from the ASIC...you can only tell from the COMPANY ISSUED uniform!!!!!
still in the heart of Europe...wearing only my COMPANY ISSUED <$10 ID card !! Going through some of the most heavily fortified aerodromes in the world !!
Write a letter to your Federal Member and copy it to Rudds office
AUScheck or perhaps better known as CRACKcheck or whoever can do their own bloody checks behind the scenes at THEIR own expense not ripoff the aviation fraternity for $195 every two years for something that we did not ask for, that the rest of the world does not have, that does not work but we have to pay for...sounds like Australia.
Anyhow...its such a good system nobody can tell who is a pilot or a bag snatcher or a refueller or whatever from the ASIC...you can only tell from the COMPANY ISSUED uniform!!!!!
still in the heart of Europe...wearing only my COMPANY ISSUED <$10 ID card !! Going through some of the most heavily fortified aerodromes in the world !!
Write a letter to your Federal Member and copy it to Rudds office
On the alternative topic of overseas pilots and their company issued cards: <$50 for any company ID that you want, Singapore back street printer, made while you wait 
An aquaintance has one, and has succesfully used it for 2+ years to get discount fares and other 'perks'. It's even been perused by Customs and Immigration and handed back without a comment.
Security? Bah, Humbug
An aquaintance has one, and has succesfully used it for 2+ years to get discount fares and other 'perks'. It's even been perused by Customs and Immigration and handed back without a comment.
Security? Bah, Humbug
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Like Emu said, all the details of colour size etc for an ASIC are available through the web. 
DOTARS are putting a lot of faith in the little hologram strip (kinegram) down the side of the photo.
DOTARS are putting a lot of faith in the little hologram strip (kinegram) down the side of the photo.
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I managed to get to talk to our beloved transport minister about this, and also about the background checks for GA strudents vs lack of for RAAus...
I'm at a "security controlled" airport where RA students with no ASICs or background checks come in and share the circuit with the RPT traffic....
His answer was that they had consulted "industry experts" that understood these things better than I could, and they had determined that a C152 student was a bigger security risk than a student that had learnt to fly in a Jabiru...
Mind you these are the same experts that determined that a "security risk" can learn how to start and fly an aeroplane, but can't use a hacksaw to remover the security device on the nosewheel or throttle.....
I'm at a "security controlled" airport where RA students with no ASICs or background checks come in and share the circuit with the RPT traffic....
His answer was that they had consulted "industry experts" that understood these things better than I could, and they had determined that a C152 student was a bigger security risk than a student that had learnt to fly in a Jabiru...
Mind you these are the same experts that determined that a "security risk" can learn how to start and fly an aeroplane, but can't use a hacksaw to remover the security device on the nosewheel or throttle.....
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Do not be fooled, there was no industry consultation. This came out in the JCPA into airport security where just about every single witness and submission recommended that the level of security should match the level of threat. Funny, though, the final report from the JCPA did not adopt this as a recommendation.
How about we write to the minister and our local MPs and Tony Smith MP, who was the final chair of the committee, and ask them why they ignored this.
Walrus
Do not be fooled, there was no industry consultation. This came out in the JCPA into airport security where just about every single witness and submission recommended that the level of security should match the level of threat. Funny, though, the final report from the JCPA did not adopt this as a recommendation.
How about we write to the minister and our local MPs and Tony Smith MP, who was the final chair of the committee, and ask them why they ignored this.
Walrus
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"consulted with experts" bwwaaahhhhaaa. The majority of DOTARS security is made up of hazbeen cops, military and others all clambering up the Public Service ladder. NOT ONE that I have spoken to has had any background whatsoever in Aviation. 50% could perhaps identify the fundamental difference between a jet and prop driven aircraft.
Clearly a waste of time speaking to the minister on this. He knows he will probably be out of a job by years end.
I will be writing to Martin Ferguson (shadow minister for Transport) to see if he can come into the game with an open mind and listen to reason and common sense.
Clearly a waste of time speaking to the minister on this. He knows he will probably be out of a job by years end.
I will be writing to Martin Ferguson (shadow minister for Transport) to see if he can come into the game with an open mind and listen to reason and common sense.
New ASIC received
Sent my application to AVid today. I'll post how long it takes.
I just got my ASIC card from CASA yesterday.. I sent the paperwork away well over 3.5 months ago. There was no problems at all with the paperwork, it just took that long.
But in their defence, they have dated it for expiry for OCT09 and not the date I sent the paperwork in.
But in their defence, they have dated it for expiry for OCT09 and not the date I sent the paperwork in.
