When in PNG....
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When in PNG....
Hi friends
Am joining the ranks of PNG aviators.
does anyone have anything to add to the following, to help a mate out? this was given to me by an aid worker over there
Cheers
Am joining the ranks of PNG aviators.
does anyone have anything to add to the following, to help a mate out? this was given to me by an aid worker over there
Cheers
Well the good news for you is that you are a guy, this means that things will be easier rule wise for you. anyway so small tips would be the following: PNGers do not show very much physical affection between males and females so distance yourself from the PNG women, this means no hand holding, no hugs, nothing of that sort, not even a hand on the shoulder or back. This is all because it will make the woman look bad to her people and also to protect you because in their culture doing any of these things can be seen as a commitment of marriage. Another thing is to not look people in the eyes over there, women take it as a come on from men and vice versa, but if a man looks in another mans ees it can also be seen as a challenge. Also never (well try your hardest not to) walk behind a woman, always walk infront of them, it is just a cultural faux pas. Also the men will be very physical with you. They see nothing wrong with holding hands with other men, it is a friendship thing. They Love hugging as well. Aslo never call a PNG girl your 'friend' it is a sexual term to them.
The country will smell terrible in the more country parts, it is a smell you will have to get used to. some common sence stuff would be to not carry large portions of money, keep your wallet in your front jeans pocket, do travel alone (it is safer for men to do this but some people will try to steal your money, especially in MT. Hagen.). But beyond all the scar stuff PGN is a wonderful country, the people will love to talk to you and look at you because you are white skinned and they will gather around you, dont be frightened (if you smile alot at them then you should be more than fine.)
Anyway I hope this helps some.
~MXXX
The country will smell terrible in the more country parts, it is a smell you will have to get used to. some common sence stuff would be to not carry large portions of money, keep your wallet in your front jeans pocket, do travel alone (it is safer for men to do this but some people will try to steal your money, especially in MT. Hagen.). But beyond all the scar stuff PGN is a wonderful country, the people will love to talk to you and look at you because you are white skinned and they will gather around you, dont be frightened (if you smile alot at them then you should be more than fine.)
Anyway I hope this helps some.
~MXXX
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.......and log onto postcourier.com.pg and thenational.com.pg as well as read as much as you can about the country. learn a bit of melanesian pidgin, you can forget Motu initially.
....and get a good set of aeronautcal charts of the country. learn the topography, geography, landmarks and relative time and distances between place to place. GPS is great but do not rely 100% on such. Electronics are known to fail and local knowledge will be a big help. Always have an funk-hole escape route. Do not poke your nose in unless you can do a 180 turn and 'get out'!
....and keep out of cloud below the lasalt unless on an instrument approach. There are some big hills up there and well over 100 civil aircraft wrecks in some of them. Do not become a statistic.
Enjoy yourself, enjoy the challenge of PNG flying, a fantastic place and the best of british luck my lad. I survived 37 years in TPNG + PNG. Go for it.
....and get a good set of aeronautcal charts of the country. learn the topography, geography, landmarks and relative time and distances between place to place. GPS is great but do not rely 100% on such. Electronics are known to fail and local knowledge will be a big help. Always have an funk-hole escape route. Do not poke your nose in unless you can do a 180 turn and 'get out'!
....and keep out of cloud below the lasalt unless on an instrument approach. There are some big hills up there and well over 100 civil aircraft wrecks in some of them. Do not become a statistic.
Enjoy yourself, enjoy the challenge of PNG flying, a fantastic place and the best of british luck my lad. I survived 37 years in TPNG + PNG. Go for it.
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Yeah 90% crap, I would disregard everything said especially the take on white boy / black girl interaction. In respect of further advice, who are you working for? Are you someone who's responded to the recent jobs going with North Coast? A missionary? Airlines PNG? General advice may be good, but targeted advice is even better.....
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Sharpie, first time I have seen anyone else refer to TPNG.
I love filling in forms requiring country you were born in, and having the receipient look sideways at you
. Being an Australian citizen from birth but TPNG being where I was when my expat parents were when I was manufactured makes it a bit hard for some to follow.
Ok Thread drift OFF.
I love filling in forms requiring country you were born in, and having the receipient look sideways at you
. Being an Australian citizen from birth but TPNG being where I was when my expat parents were when I was manufactured makes it a bit hard for some to follow.Ok Thread drift OFF.
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Wow, this guy is considering pilai wantaim meri and he is not even in the country yet! Bravo!
I swore I would never go there, but after my 1st 3 or 4 home brews (they didn't have SP back then) it was a different story.
I swore I would never go there, but after my 1st 3 or 4 home brews (they didn't have SP back then) it was a different story.
MixmasterBilongJesus. Yu gat save long taim bipo SP? Yu bludy lapun tru!!!
I still have my "Permit to Enter" TPNG from the very early 60's and would be one of the very few who have voted in a PNG Haus Ass Election.
I still have my "Permit to Enter" TPNG from the very early 60's and would be one of the very few who have voted in a PNG Haus Ass Election.
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Thanks guys 
Sounds all very good.
I don't claim to be the worlds 'best pilot'.... Nor do I claim to be any better than my peers... But I do show a good regard towards follwing the rules and knowing the boundaries. I have an aptitude for 'keeping it simple stupid', and always allow room for common sense to play it's part.
Apart from that... the only other advice I've been given is.... "Keep your d!cK in your pants"
If there's any other advice you can give on what it means to be a competent Papua New Guinean pilot... please.... be my guest.
Sounds all very good.
I don't claim to be the worlds 'best pilot'.... Nor do I claim to be any better than my peers... But I do show a good regard towards follwing the rules and knowing the boundaries. I have an aptitude for 'keeping it simple stupid', and always allow room for common sense to play it's part.
Apart from that... the only other advice I've been given is.... "Keep your d!cK in your pants"
If there's any other advice you can give on what it means to be a competent Papua New Guinean pilot... please.... be my guest.
My advice:
1. If you land at Chimbu watch out for the toothless old crone that welcomes all new pilots to the province with a "Chimbu Handshake"!
2. Watch, listen and learn. PNG is a vastly more hostile operational environment than Australia.
3. Stick to your ANO 28 approved air routes.
4. Don't push the personal envelope.
It is the land of the unexpected. Enjoy.
1. If you land at Chimbu watch out for the toothless old crone that welcomes all new pilots to the province with a "Chimbu Handshake"!
2. Watch, listen and learn. PNG is a vastly more hostile operational environment than Australia.
3. Stick to your ANO 28 approved air routes.
4. Don't push the personal envelope.
It is the land of the unexpected. Enjoy.
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Have not been to PNG but have spent a bit of time in the Solomon Islands next door. The guys hand holding and touching thing is very hard to get used to. I thought I had just arived at Martigar when i got off the plane, makes you want to sit down alot mainly at the bar
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Don't forget to take your bush knife if you want to blend in. Also handy for opening a crisp SP Brown. Pack a bag of lime also - handy for chewing betel nut - aka boui (sp?)
Take an old pair of sandshoes also - very popular tied together and thrown over powerlines
Take an old pair of sandshoes also - very popular tied together and thrown over powerlines
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How about this from todays MSN news!!!
English expat hacked to death in PNG
Wednesday Aug 22 17:06 AEST
An Englishman and long-term resident of Papua New Guinea has been hacked to death on the back veranda of his home in the capital Port Moresby.
Police are investigating whether robbery was behind the killing of Guy Andrew Mascord, 50, whose body found by security guards early on Sunday in the suburb of Boroko.
He had a neck wound caused by an axe or bush knife and stab wounds to his abdomen.
Mascord worked for a real estate firm but had spent 27 years with PNG's Education Department after arriving as a voluntary service teacher in 1979.
Friend Russell Jackson said Mascord's friends and colleagues were in shock over his death.
"He was very PNG in style, he went about barefoot and got on very well with people."
Jackson said Mascord had been robbed several times before but never hurt.
"There was something different this time."
Neighbours heard scuffles and a bang on Mascord's veranda around 3am on Sunday before he was found by security guards, Jackson said.
He might have been killed because he got in the way of a robbery, he said.
The guards reported "raskol" crime gang members had broken into the residential compound.
Mascord, originally from Stratford-on-Avon, was principal curriculum officer with the Education Department and involved in significant education reforms within PNG.
He later worked at the giant Porgera gold mine in PNG's Highlands as an environmental impact consultant.
Mascord leaves behind his wife Lydia, two sons and a daughter.
His funeral will be held in Port Moresby on Thursday.
Port Moresby police chief Alfred Reu said the homicide squad was investigating but so far had no leads.
Good to know the betel nut chewin HOMICIDE SQUAD is on to it!!!!!
Wednesday Aug 22 17:06 AEST
An Englishman and long-term resident of Papua New Guinea has been hacked to death on the back veranda of his home in the capital Port Moresby.
Police are investigating whether robbery was behind the killing of Guy Andrew Mascord, 50, whose body found by security guards early on Sunday in the suburb of Boroko.
He had a neck wound caused by an axe or bush knife and stab wounds to his abdomen.
Mascord worked for a real estate firm but had spent 27 years with PNG's Education Department after arriving as a voluntary service teacher in 1979.
Friend Russell Jackson said Mascord's friends and colleagues were in shock over his death.
"He was very PNG in style, he went about barefoot and got on very well with people."
Jackson said Mascord had been robbed several times before but never hurt.
"There was something different this time."
Neighbours heard scuffles and a bang on Mascord's veranda around 3am on Sunday before he was found by security guards, Jackson said.
He might have been killed because he got in the way of a robbery, he said.
The guards reported "raskol" crime gang members had broken into the residential compound.
Mascord, originally from Stratford-on-Avon, was principal curriculum officer with the Education Department and involved in significant education reforms within PNG.
He later worked at the giant Porgera gold mine in PNG's Highlands as an environmental impact consultant.
Mascord leaves behind his wife Lydia, two sons and a daughter.
His funeral will be held in Port Moresby on Thursday.
Port Moresby police chief Alfred Reu said the homicide squad was investigating but so far had no leads.
Good to know the betel nut chewin HOMICIDE SQUAD is on to it!!!!!
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Good to know the betel nut chewin HOMICIDE SQUAD is on to it!!!!!
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Keep a healthy degree of fear - those who don't are the ones who are likely to have a shorter lifespan!
Learn as much as you can and develop your local knowledge whenever and wherever you can - it can make the difference between safely getting the job done or not - and might also get you out of a pickle one day - or many days...
The flying is awesome and some days you'll love it - other days you'll wish you hadn't got out of bed.
Don't always expect things to happen the way they should (eg. just because there is a Jet A tanker cart at Kiunga and although you have phoned in advance doesn't mean it has fuel in it and the tractor might be broken too). Be a thinking pilot and think for other people (like ATC) as well as yourself!
Don't underestimate the weather - it usually takes most new pilots quite some time to get used to it and its changeability - it's normal! Always respect it and don't ever expect it to be the same from one mile to the next or one hour to the next and certainly not one day to the next.
Enjoy the experience and remember there is a lot more to PNG than old Moresby. Mostly the bad stories get out but you'll see that it is not ALL bad and there are plenty of nice people as well as the ones who see walking dollar signs when they see you...
Lastly, the aviation community up here is even smaller than Australia so if you want to be the pidgeon - remember that you will also be the statue - perhaps sooner than down south. In other words - be careful if you want to start burning bridges!
Learn as much as you can and develop your local knowledge whenever and wherever you can - it can make the difference between safely getting the job done or not - and might also get you out of a pickle one day - or many days...
The flying is awesome and some days you'll love it - other days you'll wish you hadn't got out of bed.
Don't always expect things to happen the way they should (eg. just because there is a Jet A tanker cart at Kiunga and although you have phoned in advance doesn't mean it has fuel in it and the tractor might be broken too). Be a thinking pilot and think for other people (like ATC) as well as yourself!
Don't underestimate the weather - it usually takes most new pilots quite some time to get used to it and its changeability - it's normal! Always respect it and don't ever expect it to be the same from one mile to the next or one hour to the next and certainly not one day to the next.
Enjoy the experience and remember there is a lot more to PNG than old Moresby. Mostly the bad stories get out but you'll see that it is not ALL bad and there are plenty of nice people as well as the ones who see walking dollar signs when they see you...
Lastly, the aviation community up here is even smaller than Australia so if you want to be the pidgeon - remember that you will also be the statue - perhaps sooner than down south. In other words - be careful if you want to start burning bridges!
Don't do anything stupid quickly!
Have a think before plunging in, this applies to everything in P.N.G and life in general.
Take all advice but make your own mind up, the final decision is yours, and yours alone.
Good luck
Lookim
Have a think before plunging in, this applies to everything in P.N.G and life in general.
Take all advice but make your own mind up, the final decision is yours, and yours alone.
Good luck
Lookim