Lets bend the VFR a little!
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Was flying IFR Moorabbin to King Island at 6000ft a couple of years back.
Solid IMC virtually on departure from MB with no breaks at all in the cloud cover either above or below me.
The next thing I hear as I'm approaching KII is ML Centre calling me up to give me traffic on an unidentified (obviously VFR) aircraft which was 10nm behind and closing on the same track as me and on descent from 9500ft!
I finally managed to contact this jerk on the CTAF frequency and effected separation from him, however what really p
d me off in the end was that he had the audacity to call me back up, after I had queried his VMC status, to say that the "sun was shining below 2500 and why don't you come on down"! WTF!
I ended up having to do an NDB approach at KII and only just got visual slightly above the minima.
The thought often goes through my head as to what could have happened had I not been in a radar environment.
Solid IMC virtually on departure from MB with no breaks at all in the cloud cover either above or below me.
The next thing I hear as I'm approaching KII is ML Centre calling me up to give me traffic on an unidentified (obviously VFR) aircraft which was 10nm behind and closing on the same track as me and on descent from 9500ft!
I finally managed to contact this jerk on the CTAF frequency and effected separation from him, however what really p
d me off in the end was that he had the audacity to call me back up, after I had queried his VMC status, to say that the "sun was shining below 2500 and why don't you come on down"! WTF!I ended up having to do an NDB approach at KII and only just got visual slightly above the minima.
The thought often goes through my head as to what could have happened had I not been in a radar environment.
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Wheeler, you can't really put the skydiving wagons in the same class. I prefer to avoid thier operations altogether. They usually don't venture outside a 5mile rad of the dz before they unload their cargo of lawn darts. I'm sure most are aware of the practices associated .........
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Forkie me old mate,
Like most of us, he used a combination of gravity, and most likely some of the aerodynamic assistance of wings (prevents dropping like a stone) and some forward stick or reduction in power.
As for how he complied with the VFR rules while descending through the soup.....fair to say he did one of the aforementioned Private IFR's.
QSK, did you have the opportunity to have a friendly and frank discussion with the jerk concerned on the ground as to his stupid and unsafe practices?
I often wonder how the old DC3 boys and earlier got on, pre radar an all, flying in bad weather. I know many stopped flying the wrong way, and traffic density was not a problem, but I guess thats why we have IFR and radar and rules!
SQ
Like most of us, he used a combination of gravity, and most likely some of the aerodynamic assistance of wings (prevents dropping like a stone) and some forward stick or reduction in power.
As for how he complied with the VFR rules while descending through the soup.....fair to say he did one of the aforementioned Private IFR's.
QSK, did you have the opportunity to have a friendly and frank discussion with the jerk concerned on the ground as to his stupid and unsafe practices?
I often wonder how the old DC3 boys and earlier got on, pre radar an all, flying in bad weather. I know many stopped flying the wrong way, and traffic density was not a problem, but I guess thats why we have IFR and radar and rules!
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FTDK:
That's the million dollar question; I don't know! Check your PMs.
SQ6969:
Unfortunately, no as the pilot had already left the aerodrome by the time I had parked and secured the aircraft. Check your PMs.
QSK - So how did the "jerk" get down?
SQ6969:
QSK, did you have the opportunity to have a friendly and frank discussion with the jerk concerned on the ground as to his stupid and unsafe practices?
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VFR, no now IFR, no VFR
As a VFR pilot I think you definately cannot push flights when weather is a potential problem. Well no duh you say, its quite obvious eh but the problem is I dont think enough people take that saying to heart "better to be on the ground look up smiling than in the air looking at the ground crying" 
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At least these VFRs in IMC had their transponders on so they were spotted on radar and traffic given. Unlike a few CTA penetrators who, when hearing an ATC broadcast "Aircraft squawking code 1200 vicinity ...." or similar, promptly switch off their transponder.
With peanuts like these, another reason why class E airspace over C or D towers isn't a great idea. When it's IMC there won't be any VFRs flying?
Yeah, right ........
With peanuts like these, another reason why class E airspace over C or D towers isn't a great idea. When it's IMC there won't be any VFRs flying?
Yeah, right ........
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One of my (former) flock was telling me about his VFR into IMC experience - he was coming bck from YBMC past LAV - and he was completely socked in.
"I wasn't worried though", he told me, "I knew it was OK because when I flew through holes in the cloud I saw 2 Cessna Caravans in formation just off my wingtip. I knew if they could do it, so could I".
"I wasn't worried though", he told me, "I knew it was OK because when I flew through holes in the cloud I saw 2 Cessna Caravans in formation just off my wingtip. I knew if they could do it, so could I".
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VFR at say 300'
I was sitting on my boat at Jibbon yesterday Friday 7th September. Jibbon is on the south part of Sydney Victor 1 when a formation of light jets, looked like CJ's, flew over at not much more than 300'. I know as I have flown Victor 1 many times and know the height you would cross Jibbon point. Funny there were 3 more instances where the wx was less than 5000 metres, low cloud and these guys just kept racing south and north. Not a typical role for a non military jet, especially the scud running.
Are there any answers out there that make sense, especially when I have my Baron sitting in the hangar rusting due to APEC restrictions?
Are there any answers out there that make sense, especially when I have my Baron sitting in the hangar rusting due to APEC restrictions?
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heard a (non professional) CPL holding cirrus owner bragging about a flight of 3 hours in cloud in his new cirrus in NQld. I enquired as to when he had done his CIR, he said he hadn't and didn't need to as the autopilot did all the flying and if he got in trouble he could just pull the chute..... (Shudders all round from the IFR pilots that may have been sharing that OCTA cloud with the offending blissfully unaware "pilot") This guy happily does this regularly apparently and is quite happy to tell everyone about it.....apparently its perfectly safe
as he has a strike finder to show him where the CB's are
...... Anyone flying IFR in NQld.... start praying!!!
as he has a strike finder to show him where the CB's are...... Anyone flying IFR in NQld.... start praying!!!
