ASL NZ Poor Standard of testing officer?
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Originally Posted by kiwi chick
I sat my CPL flight test with
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Not "no-pass" Parker by any chance?
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Not "no-pass" Parker by any chance?
ROFPMLLike I said earlier, haven't heard mention of NPP for bl@@dy years... is he still going???
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..."****, where did the goal posts go? oh they have shifted again!"..
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NPP still lurks...
Think he's a inspector with the CAA now.. mainly Pt 135 stuff...
That was in 2001 I flew with him.. and have heard mention of NPP since then too..
Is GL still active? Top bloke....
Think he's a inspector with the CAA now.. mainly Pt 135 stuff...
That was in 2001 I flew with him.. and have heard mention of NPP since then too..
Is GL still active? Top bloke....
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It would be good for ASL to treat the GAP Instructors Manual as it should be - a suggestion guide, not the bible. For it to become the bible it needs significant industry feedback and improvement.
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Originally Posted by Cypher
NPP still lurks...
Think he's a inspector with the CAA now.. mainly Pt 135 stuff...
Think he's a inspector with the CAA now.. mainly Pt 135 stuff...
Seems the 'ol bugger has better legs than I imagined possible!
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Is GL still active? Top bloke....
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Pistol Pete failed me-deservedly- about 3 yrs ago. Tough old bastard, but fair it must be said. And does love to talk about the farm. Pointed out his land to me out Rakaia way, if memory serves me correctly, on the arc-had to lift up the hood and go "oh, I see it". Passed that one.
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GL is still very active with ASL - based out of nzpp i think. He regulary travels all over the north island.
great guy - very fair - did a couple of tests with him.
scroogee - good point re the gap manual! it is just a guide - pity some of the testing officers missed that point!
great guy - very fair - did a couple of tests with him.
scroogee - good point re the gap manual! it is just a guide - pity some of the testing officers missed that point!
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You telling us porkies about how 'ol you are???
GL turned up to do my flight test (top guy, top guy
) but I made the call not to go due weather. GL said (good call, but) he would be unable to resit for another six weeks... F ** K that!!! I had barely managed to contain myself waiting for the last week!So... JP happened to be standing beside him at the desk at the time, (oh the funny coincidences that life throws at us...) commented that "oh, it's been a while since I did a CPL flight test, I could do her tomorrow?!" to which I replied
"oh, that would be FANTASTIC! You ARE a wonderful man!!"
...the rest is history..............
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P.C.S. was my testing officer for my CPL and IR...he was a total gent, and a little eccentric all at once.
Guys know your stuff, have the answers before the questions arrive...then say thank you, and take your freshly signed pass paper.
Guys know your stuff, have the answers before the questions arrive...then say thank you, and take your freshly signed pass paper.
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ASL seems to have no Qaulity system,do they have a Qaulity manager,if so your comments should go to him.
Perhaps the CFIs should sit in on the debrief.Remember you are the CUSTOMER,sure the applicant must be prepared and operate to the acceptable standard(and have been graded aacceptable for testing by his/her instructor) but the testing officer should also exibit acceptable standards as well.Is there even any commonality or standard between testing Officers?
If the CFI is not satisfied,refuse to have him back.
ASL is providing a SERVICE.
Rumour has it this new guy hasn't flown further South than Nelson.His only commercial experience is instructing.
The question I put to the forum is shouldnt a Testing Officer have some real world commercial and IFR experience before he can take applicants on CPL/IFR Flt tests?
In closing ever been asked by a Testing officer'How did I do as your testing officer-any feedback for me,can I improve?'
Yeah I thought not!
BWM
Perhaps the CFIs should sit in on the debrief.Remember you are the CUSTOMER,sure the applicant must be prepared and operate to the acceptable standard(and have been graded aacceptable for testing by his/her instructor) but the testing officer should also exibit acceptable standards as well.Is there even any commonality or standard between testing Officers?
If the CFI is not satisfied,refuse to have him back.
ASL is providing a SERVICE.
Rumour has it this new guy hasn't flown further South than Nelson.His only commercial experience is instructing.
The question I put to the forum is shouldnt a Testing Officer have some real world commercial and IFR experience before he can take applicants on CPL/IFR Flt tests?
In closing ever been asked by a Testing officer'How did I do as your testing officer-any feedback for me,can I improve?'
Yeah I thought not!
BWM
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Bit of a drift here... but not really.
My CFI sat in on my debrief for my C-Cat, alongside my instructor.
(Im pretty sure it wasn't in the vein of "snigger... this will be a laugh..."
Was good because anything that I missed (which was most of it after he said "well done"
) were heard by two other sets of ears. I found this great in the few days afterwards when I tried to remember exactly what had been said
My CFI sat in on my debrief for my C-Cat, alongside my instructor.
(Im pretty sure it wasn't in the vein of "snigger... this will be a laugh..."
Was good because anything that I missed (which was most of it after he said "well done"
) were heard by two other sets of ears. I found this great in the few days afterwards when I tried to remember exactly what had been said
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CFI sit in
It has been my experience anywhere I've been, that the CFI and instructor have been present for the testing officers debrief. In fact I would consider it strange if they weren't.
Not only is it an opportunity for the testing officer to give the CFI points where their students skills and knowledge may be lacking, but its also a chance to 'argue the point' if necessary and discuss any concerns raised.
Its called taking an interest in your students and the standard of your 'finished product'.
Not only is it an opportunity for the testing officer to give the CFI points where their students skills and knowledge may be lacking, but its also a chance to 'argue the point' if necessary and discuss any concerns raised.
Its called taking an interest in your students and the standard of your 'finished product'.
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DWs experience
WBM - Pretty sure DW did some ATOs in Northland, so not all experience is instructing. Even if you're correct, so what? FTOs are supposed to test against the same information the CFIs have and not against their own interpretations mixed with their experience.
In addition, I know that FTOs do quite a bit of training and assessment before being let loose on candidates. My experiences with HB, PCS, GL, and NS match those of other Pruners and I am prepared to accept that DW will follow suit. As they have said, for flight tests, do your homework, keep your instructor honest by making sure he/she knows exactly what you need to demonstrate to the FTO and try to enjoy the experience.
In addition, I know that FTOs do quite a bit of training and assessment before being let loose on candidates. My experiences with HB, PCS, GL, and NS match those of other Pruners and I am prepared to accept that DW will follow suit. As they have said, for flight tests, do your homework, keep your instructor honest by making sure he/she knows exactly what you need to demonstrate to the FTO and try to enjoy the experience.
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FTOs are supposed to test against the same information the CFIs have and not against their own interpretations mixed with their experience.
i.e. Max rate turns. If the nose starts to drop....... add more back pressure??? Really? But please sir, I have no more back pressure!!!
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Who was the old guy who used to do the 744 sims for the NZ ATPL for those of us dragged overseas. The guy who could never find the gear handle, is he still around..................
