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Togs whom did you send the email to, jetflite or fast track? Getting a command like you were told is highly unlikely. I've managed to speak to a few people who trained with jetflite. They were employed for the 12 months by some regionals and it depends on how you perform and their staffing levels wether you remain with them or not. I have been told of a couple of pilots who did move up to command in a very short time though but this was flying freight.
As far as I'm concerned I really don't care. That 12 months of guaranteed work and building hours on turbo props is invaluabe. If i'm not kept on for whatever reason so be it. I'll go wherever I can to continue flying. Accruing these hours the hard way is what it's all about. This is what employers at the big airlines are looking for, EFFORT and DEDICATION.
Do yourselves a favour and read "Professional Pilot Career Guide" by Robert P. Mark. The book is American but the principles will still be the same.
As far as I'm concerned I really don't care. That 12 months of guaranteed work and building hours on turbo props is invaluabe. If i'm not kept on for whatever reason so be it. I'll go wherever I can to continue flying. Accruing these hours the hard way is what it's all about. This is what employers at the big airlines are looking for, EFFORT and DEDICATION.
Do yourselves a favour and read "Professional Pilot Career Guide" by Robert P. Mark. The book is American but the principles will still be the same.
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Togs, sounds like you just wanna shoot straight up to command, eh?
Airlines aren't going to employ you thats it!
Working for a few years in GA is going to give you a foundation to build
on. You will learn how to really fly a plane in all conditions. Its in GA where you're going to learn how to fly under pressure if something goes wrong.
After you done this airlines may look at you.
Airlines aren't going to employ you thats it!
Working for a few years in GA is going to give you a foundation to build
on. You will learn how to really fly a plane in all conditions. Its in GA where you're going to learn how to fly under pressure if something goes wrong.
After you done this airlines may look at you.
The Comet
Thanks mate
Always good to see someone being 'nice' on this message board
Just gotta decide the right path for me and whats going to benefit me the most and not get me too much in debt!
Thanks again!
Thanks mate
Always good to see someone being 'nice' on this message board
Just gotta decide the right path for me and whats going to benefit me the most and not get me too much in debt!
Thanks again!
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As the saying goes there are many ways to skin a cat and with all life's choices there are advantages and disdavantages.
I completed my training with this company and overall I was happy with what I received and achieved in the two year period including both the intial CPL training and the invaluable experience as an FO in a regional airline. Don't get me wrong the training can be demanding at times due to the nature of the course however you have a high sense of achievement after the gruelling 12 months. This is not a sausage factory, you are expected to achieve high standards and this requires hard work.
The training school has had problems just like any other flying training organisation and from other experiences it is all part and parcel of GA training. Is there a perfect training school???
Once you jump through all the hoops of CPL, ATPL, MECIR, CRM then the real fun begins at one of there regional airline associates. You fly sector for sector and NO you are not a radio operator. You are paid exactly the same as any other experienced FO so therefore you are expected to operate to at least if not better than this standard. All the Captains are great and you will learn so much in 12 months, especially Multi Crew, IFR procedures in an RPT environment.
The cost is fairly expensive, though if you look at some other options then it stacks up ok. 50K for CPL, ATPL's (Higgins), MECIR in a high performance aircraft. Then 10K for a turbine endorsement like a Metro. Then you need to have a bit in the piggy bank to hit the road and find that elusive first job. Your first job will probably be casual and require a second job to pay the bills. Now 80K for the Jetflite course, don't quote me as it has been 3-4 years now. You get all your training from very experienced instructors, turbine endorsement, ATPL (Higgins) and all flight testing is conducted externally by a very rigourous ATO. Start with regional airline on 36K plus allowances in a structured envrironment.
Life after the 12 months employment! All cadets leave the regional airline as they do not have a High Capacity AOC which could allow upgrades from FO to Captain with such low command time. However I can tell you that a very large majority move to the sister company operating as Captains on the freighter Metros / Conquest or Vans.The majority find work with no major problems.
Command time.........the old age argument. I had less than 100 hrs command after my contract and found it like banging my head against a brick wall finding a job in AUS GA. Things are changing and some airlines are now recognising multi experience without the requirement for multi command. I found my break with a small company in PNG and have not looked back ever since. Chief Pirate now with a fleet of three turbine aircraft and five pilots.I must say the PNG flying is just something else, highly rewarding and the experience from this programme has set a solid / disciplined foundation that is required to operate in a challenging environment like PNG.
Thats my experience and it was called Macflite back then. As I said so many options at the moment in the industry. I certainly have no regrets, but it is very dependent on the state of the industry at the time. 80K could get all the qual's required and a 737 ticket but that is a personal choice. Not that I agree with anyone paying for endorsements.
Safe flying and smooth landings...........don't forget to enjoy the journey, so many of us pilots looking at the destination.
I completed my training with this company and overall I was happy with what I received and achieved in the two year period including both the intial CPL training and the invaluable experience as an FO in a regional airline. Don't get me wrong the training can be demanding at times due to the nature of the course however you have a high sense of achievement after the gruelling 12 months. This is not a sausage factory, you are expected to achieve high standards and this requires hard work.
The training school has had problems just like any other flying training organisation and from other experiences it is all part and parcel of GA training. Is there a perfect training school???
Once you jump through all the hoops of CPL, ATPL, MECIR, CRM then the real fun begins at one of there regional airline associates. You fly sector for sector and NO you are not a radio operator. You are paid exactly the same as any other experienced FO so therefore you are expected to operate to at least if not better than this standard. All the Captains are great and you will learn so much in 12 months, especially Multi Crew, IFR procedures in an RPT environment.
The cost is fairly expensive, though if you look at some other options then it stacks up ok. 50K for CPL, ATPL's (Higgins), MECIR in a high performance aircraft. Then 10K for a turbine endorsement like a Metro. Then you need to have a bit in the piggy bank to hit the road and find that elusive first job. Your first job will probably be casual and require a second job to pay the bills. Now 80K for the Jetflite course, don't quote me as it has been 3-4 years now. You get all your training from very experienced instructors, turbine endorsement, ATPL (Higgins) and all flight testing is conducted externally by a very rigourous ATO. Start with regional airline on 36K plus allowances in a structured envrironment.
Life after the 12 months employment! All cadets leave the regional airline as they do not have a High Capacity AOC which could allow upgrades from FO to Captain with such low command time. However I can tell you that a very large majority move to the sister company operating as Captains on the freighter Metros / Conquest or Vans.The majority find work with no major problems.
Command time.........the old age argument. I had less than 100 hrs command after my contract and found it like banging my head against a brick wall finding a job in AUS GA. Things are changing and some airlines are now recognising multi experience without the requirement for multi command. I found my break with a small company in PNG and have not looked back ever since. Chief Pirate now with a fleet of three turbine aircraft and five pilots.I must say the PNG flying is just something else, highly rewarding and the experience from this programme has set a solid / disciplined foundation that is required to operate in a challenging environment like PNG.
Thats my experience and it was called Macflite back then. As I said so many options at the moment in the industry. I certainly have no regrets, but it is very dependent on the state of the industry at the time. 80K could get all the qual's required and a 737 ticket but that is a personal choice. Not that I agree with anyone paying for endorsements.
Safe flying and smooth landings...........don't forget to enjoy the journey, so many of us pilots looking at the destination.
Thanks OOC,
Your journey story is the kind of thing that makes this website great and i think everyone on here has a different one and its good to learn from other peoples mistakes but sounds like youve had a good ride (so to speak) so far.
Your journey story is the kind of thing that makes this website great and i think everyone on here has a different one and its good to learn from other peoples mistakes but sounds like youve had a good ride (so to speak) so far.
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Umm... I don't think you all understood what I said.
I'd love to spend time in GA and love GA! But I said, I wouldn't want to build up F/O time and then move back into GA for command building. It's just a personal choice, I'm not bagging GA, why should I? I'm there right now and thats where I will be for at least the next 5 years of my life.
It's cool however to see how many people jumped on my post just like that. Now I believe people when they tell me there are a lot of PPRUNE'rs that thrive on having a go at others...
ADD: Sorry what I said was a bit slack... There are awesome people on PPRUNE, just the odd .1% that are paying out others.
I'd love to spend time in GA and love GA! But I said, I wouldn't want to build up F/O time and then move back into GA for command building. It's just a personal choice, I'm not bagging GA, why should I? I'm there right now and thats where I will be for at least the next 5 years of my life.
It's cool however to see how many people jumped on my post just like that. Now I believe people when they tell me there are a lot of PPRUNE'rs that thrive on having a go at others...
ADD: Sorry what I said was a bit slack... There are awesome people on PPRUNE, just the odd .1% that are paying out others.
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Togs, I understand how you might have thought a couple of people jumped on your post. I apologise if my words didn't come across very well. I'm pretty sure mudpig is the same. The thing is (and anyone can smack me down if I'm wrong) when people post about what they want and how quick they want it I look at how old they are. You have a lot of life left to live so the older guys are gonna tell you to take your time. Older guys like myself can't afford to take our time unfortunately. If you're in GA already thats great and your alot further ahead than me. I have know idea about who you are as a person so I can't comment on you maturity. But over the next five years as a GA pilot your maturity will increase as will your understanding of responsibility no matter how mature or responsible you are now. Dont take this as criticism just a bit of friendly advice.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
. You have a lot of life left to live so the older guys are gonna tell you to take your time. Older guys like myself can't afford to take our time unfortunately. If you're in GA already thats great and your alot further ahead than me. I have know idea about who you are as a person so I can't comment on you maturity. But over the next five years as a GA pilot your maturity will increase as will your understanding of responsibility no matter how mature or responsible you are now. Dont take this as criticism just a bit of friendly advice.Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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Not a problem. As I said, I WANT to spend time in GA, just this Jetflite cadetship is not the way I want to spend it - thats all. Again, nor am I bagging out the JetFlite cadetship, that looks really good too.
Apologies for my comment, I really thought you were all trying to have a go at me, but rest assured I wasn't offended, I love talking about aviation and what better place than here!
Kind regards,
Nick
Apologies for my comment, I really thought you were all trying to have a go at me, but rest assured I wasn't offended, I love talking about aviation and what better place than here!
Kind regards,
Nick
I think the Jetflite and Fast Track courses are a great idea.
By the time im ready i will be early to mid 20's. At this stage im going to go to uni and get a degree then do one of the courses and then i will hopefully be able to get into a small regional whether it be Skippers or similar.
Before someone says "you dont wanna touch Skippers" they fly within WA which i love and would be able to fly to places that i know and would be able to live in WA. Which is where the fast track scheme would be better. Anyway id much rather live in a country town than a city so happy flying regionals for a while!
Anyway my whole point of the post was to say that these schemes are great for the likes of 25-30 year old blokes/gals who have done uni, apprenticeship, traineeships etc who want to go to the airlines. Where as GA is for the guys who want to get alot of experience and take the "longer" and whats most likley the better route then head up this way for work. GA generally seems to take alot longer.
Also another question....Why would Skippers employ someone from Fast track scheme but not the West Aussie Aviation College?
Cheers
By the time im ready i will be early to mid 20's. At this stage im going to go to uni and get a degree then do one of the courses and then i will hopefully be able to get into a small regional whether it be Skippers or similar.
Before someone says "you dont wanna touch Skippers" they fly within WA which i love and would be able to fly to places that i know and would be able to live in WA. Which is where the fast track scheme would be better. Anyway id much rather live in a country town than a city so happy flying regionals for a while!
Anyway my whole point of the post was to say that these schemes are great for the likes of 25-30 year old blokes/gals who have done uni, apprenticeship, traineeships etc who want to go to the airlines. Where as GA is for the guys who want to get alot of experience and take the "longer" and whats most likley the better route then head up this way for work. GA generally seems to take alot longer.
Also another question....Why would Skippers employ someone from Fast track scheme but not the West Aussie Aviation College?
Cheers
