Light Twin down 60km north of MEL
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I can only hope that for the families and loved ones of the deceased the outpouring of sympathy, congratulation and commiseration is enough to overcome the nastiness of westking101's post. He seems clearly to be in a huge minority and perhaps should look at himself rather than cast blame on others.
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We are all stardust...
Every single person will pass from this world..It is but a question of time. The nastiness will pass the negativity will pass...
What is left is memories of good people called home before their time....
Rest in Peace both of you
to your respective families, may you take some comfort from us trying share your burden.
Whilst many of us did not know one of you (in my case) or both of you, know that we all feel for those left behind...
Every single person will pass from this world..It is but a question of time. The nastiness will pass the negativity will pass...
What is left is memories of good people called home before their time....
Rest in Peace both of you
to your respective families, may you take some comfort from us trying share your burden.
Whilst many of us did not know one of you (in my case) or both of you, know that we all feel for those left behind...
Does anyone know if this is the Janelle Johnston who did some flight instruction with the Australian Air Force Cadets in the late 90's?
Yup. One and the same person.
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Yup. One and the same person.
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Funeral - Steve Nott
Melbourne (Toorak) 1400hrs Sat 11 Aug.
See paper for details. I understand a fly over is planned and the Shrikes will all be lined up at EN. There is talk of a service in Cairns the following Saturday, but no details and not confirmed as yet.
RIP Steve
Melbourne (Toorak) 1400hrs Sat 11 Aug.
See paper for details. I understand a fly over is planned and the Shrikes will all be lined up at EN. There is talk of a service in Cairns the following Saturday, but no details and not confirmed as yet.
RIP Steve
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Well done to the Essendon Tower controller today handling the procession of Shirikes, 680's you name it. What a great site it was seeing them depart, low level all the way to the end of the runway. Beautiful. Such a fitting tribute.
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Aerocommander precession
I was out in the eastern suburbs this afternoon and pulled over to watch the precession. We watched 8-10 go past. I thought it was an excellent tribute. Polair seemed to join in for a minute as it flew over Warrigul Rd. Well done to all the pilots.
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Sorry about the quality. I hope this works.
Great job done by the GAM crew. I have some more if requested.
RIP Steve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z72668SQz1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0bO0Ui0PDo
Great job done by the GAM crew. I have some more if requested.
RIP Steve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z72668SQz1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0bO0Ui0PDo
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Goodbye Steve and Janelle
I have found a lump in my throat every sincere post i have read thus far. Having known both these great people I appreciate the sincerity of what has been written. I was unabloe to gt back to Aus for the funerals but i am sure you put on a fitting tribe guys well done, and to those who sank a few crownies afterward thats an equally fitting tribute.
The last time i saw steve he was leaning against his new baby, YJB, Crownie in hand. Have a look through mate, it's great! He said. I replied 'don't you have enough shrikes steve' - 'no such thing' he replied.
So many young pilots and engineers have be moulded by the uncompromising natue of steve. The furthest thing from lazy i could describe, and equally far from sloppy. He has passed this on to so many, and GAM will continue through Mick to be the best engineering shop in the country.
Steve never suffered fools, and it is evident that there are a few in this forum, and such a post is the biggest endictment of themself one could muster.
Janelle was a sweet and loving woman who didn't discriminate who she passed that affection on to. She was loved by all that met for her ability to make you happy, even at the ungodly bank running hours. Thanks Janelle for the day you taxied behind me retrieving the bank bags as they fell out my open cargo door. Saved me big time!!
Two great soles lost to the world - But never forgotten!!
The last time i saw steve he was leaning against his new baby, YJB, Crownie in hand. Have a look through mate, it's great! He said. I replied 'don't you have enough shrikes steve' - 'no such thing' he replied.
So many young pilots and engineers have be moulded by the uncompromising natue of steve. The furthest thing from lazy i could describe, and equally far from sloppy. He has passed this on to so many, and GAM will continue through Mick to be the best engineering shop in the country.
Steve never suffered fools, and it is evident that there are a few in this forum, and such a post is the biggest endictment of themself one could muster.
Janelle was a sweet and loving woman who didn't discriminate who she passed that affection on to. She was loved by all that met for her ability to make you happy, even at the ungodly bank running hours. Thanks Janelle for the day you taxied behind me retrieving the bank bags as they fell out my open cargo door. Saved me big time!!
Two great soles lost to the world - But never forgotten!!
RIP Steve and JJ.Steve,
Thanks for giving me a break into the industry,you have done a lot for the GA in Australia. You were a hard man to work for,but you always tried to be fair to the people that put the effort in, RIP.
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just thought i would let you know gear wasnt actually down
?? Photos show the main gear down... Dont they??
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200400610.aspx
Particularly page 10:
"Within the main wreckage, the left main landing gear was found in the extended position. The mechanism for locking the landing gear in the retracted position had fractured and showed overload damage consistent with the forces produced during the aircraft breakup and subsequent ground impact. The right main landing gear locking mechanism showed similar damage. The type of damage sustained by the locking mechanisms would not have occurred if the landing gear had been unlocked or extended at the time of breakup."
So we really don't know about YJB and should leave the detailed investigation to the ATSB - as has been said a few times already.
By the way I thought I'd seen another thread opened for discussion about the cause of this accident - but I can't find it now. So apologies for posting here if inappropriate.
Di
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Preliminary ATSB Report released:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...029_prelim.pdf
Di
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...029_prelim.pdf
There was evidence to show that the flaps and landing gear (in particular broken up-lock hooks) were retracted at impact.
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I read that the other day, and the thought crossed my mind about how people speak in jest about peeling the wings off your plane. It must be one hell of a scary ride for the remaining few seconds of life.
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That ATSB preliminary report is a very sobering document, as I read it I felt very sorry for Steve and Janelle and for those they left behind.
Must have been one hell of a down draft.
Must have been one hell of a down draft.
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http://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/2009/release/2009_13.aspx
Media Release
2009/13: Pilots reminded to be aware when operating in areas of known or forecast turbulence
09 November 2009
The investigation of an in-flight breakup that occurred near Clombinane, Victoria on 31 July 2007 has found that it most likely resulted from an encounter with localised and intense turbulence, from an elevator control input, or from a combination of both. The accident resulted in the death of the pilot and passenger on board the Rockwell International Aero Commander 500-S aircraft on a business flight from Essendon Airport to Shepparton.
As a result of its investigation, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau reissued the publication Mountain Wave Turbulence (available for download at www.atsb.gov.au), distributed the investigation report to all Australian operators of the Aero Commander aircraft, and issued a safety advisory notice to aircraft operators and pilots. That notice encouraged aircraft operators to review their procedures to ensure an appropriate awareness amongst operating personnel of the implications for aircraft performance of the combination of aircraft weights and speed, and of the ambient conditions; in particular, when flying in, or near areas of forecast severe turbulence.
The investigation found that some pilots operating the aircraft type were generally unaware of the applicability of the aircraft's manoeuvring speed during flight through turbulence, despite the inclusion of relevant advisory information in the operator's documentation. There was also a concern that pilots generally may not have been exercising as much caution in forecast severe turbulence conditions as they would for thunderstorms, even though the intensity of the turbulence could be similar.
At the time of the in-flight breakup, special weather reports for severe turbulence and severe mountain waves were current for the area. Wind speeds on the ground were reported to be 50 kts and calculations using the recorded radar data and forecast wind showed that the aircraft had been in cruise flight at 7,000 ft above mean sea level at speeds probably greater than its published manoeuvring speed, prior to it disappearing from radar. The wreckage and its distribution pattern were consistent with an in-flight breakup during cruise flight.
There was no evidence of any pre-existing defect, corrosion or fatigue found in the aircraft structure. An examination of the wreckage and fracture surfaces showed that the aircraft structure failed under symmetrical negative overstress.
A full report is available from the ATSB website Aviation Occurrence AO-2007-029
Report seems to have been removed from ATSB website for some reason????
Di
Media Release
2009/13: Pilots reminded to be aware when operating in areas of known or forecast turbulence
09 November 2009
The investigation of an in-flight breakup that occurred near Clombinane, Victoria on 31 July 2007 has found that it most likely resulted from an encounter with localised and intense turbulence, from an elevator control input, or from a combination of both. The accident resulted in the death of the pilot and passenger on board the Rockwell International Aero Commander 500-S aircraft on a business flight from Essendon Airport to Shepparton.
As a result of its investigation, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau reissued the publication Mountain Wave Turbulence (available for download at www.atsb.gov.au), distributed the investigation report to all Australian operators of the Aero Commander aircraft, and issued a safety advisory notice to aircraft operators and pilots. That notice encouraged aircraft operators to review their procedures to ensure an appropriate awareness amongst operating personnel of the implications for aircraft performance of the combination of aircraft weights and speed, and of the ambient conditions; in particular, when flying in, or near areas of forecast severe turbulence.
The investigation found that some pilots operating the aircraft type were generally unaware of the applicability of the aircraft's manoeuvring speed during flight through turbulence, despite the inclusion of relevant advisory information in the operator's documentation. There was also a concern that pilots generally may not have been exercising as much caution in forecast severe turbulence conditions as they would for thunderstorms, even though the intensity of the turbulence could be similar.
At the time of the in-flight breakup, special weather reports for severe turbulence and severe mountain waves were current for the area. Wind speeds on the ground were reported to be 50 kts and calculations using the recorded radar data and forecast wind showed that the aircraft had been in cruise flight at 7,000 ft above mean sea level at speeds probably greater than its published manoeuvring speed, prior to it disappearing from radar. The wreckage and its distribution pattern were consistent with an in-flight breakup during cruise flight.
There was no evidence of any pre-existing defect, corrosion or fatigue found in the aircraft structure. An examination of the wreckage and fracture surfaces showed that the aircraft structure failed under symmetrical negative overstress.
A full report is available from the ATSB website Aviation Occurrence AO-2007-029
Report seems to have been removed from ATSB website for some reason????
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Steve Nott
Remember when I heard an Aero-Commander had gone down nth of melb. Was working in Cairns. Just knew. Worked for GAM for a bit as an AME and will not forget the quality of work turned out. Steve wasn't particularly easy to work for, but only because of his commitment to quality. Didn't tolerate fools, and said what he thought. Currently studying CPL(H), and what I learnt at GAM hasn't been wasted. His 680 still rates as the nicest and most thorough refurb I've ever worked on. Sad..... Doesn't matter how long you've been in the biz, stay humble, and remember, there is ALWAYS something to learn after (or before) EVERY flight. Right side up guys...! truth hurts. Still hurts me.