Parallel Entry (Sector 1) Question

[Capt Fathom]

"Who would have thought parallel entries could have provoked such conversation!"
I would!
This is the forum with:
a 4 or 5 page discussion on how to start a PA28 !!! .... and,
a 7 page discussion on how to land a C182 !!!
etc, etc, etc
Dr

I think we've got holding pattern entries nailed....!

Now...how long is a piece of string? Anyone?

[conflict alert]

I'm absolutely staggered that you people are talking about a basic holding pattern entry procedure..there is parallel, offset, and direct, each being quite a set procedure. If you guys/gals don't know the difference...then you ought not to be flying, let alone passed a flight test......absolutely staggered.

[Tee Emm]

Nup. Enter the hold via the sector entry at the holding altitude. There is no requirement to enter at the MSA.

I can just see the ATSB report now. The cause of this fatal accident was the pilot in command elected to descend on track to the holding aid in order to arrive at the holding fix at the published holding altitude. The published holding altitude was 4000 ft and the lowest safe altitude for the sector he was arriving from was 6900 ft. The aircraft impacted terrain at 5100 ft at a distance of 20 miles from the holding fix.

[jetstar1]

Now...how long is a piece of string? Anyone?

Exactly twice the length of half the string

[Capt Fathom]

Tee Emm, I never advocated descending below the LSALT/MSA.

Um! Maybe your explanation was misinterpreted!

Nup. Enter the hold via the sector entry at the holding altitude. There is no requirement to enter at the MSA.

[OzExpat]

From a procedure designer's viewpoint, a Pans Ops procedure provides massive holding pattern protection that is, in part, intended to allow for sector entries. Therefore, so long as you've passed the fix on which the pattern is predicated, you CAN commence descent to the lowest holding altitude, if you wish. You can therefore continue descent, as and if necessary, to reach lowest holding altitude DURING the sector entry.

I don't know what's actually being taught, but that's the REAL situation... from a Pans Ops procedure designer's perspective.