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Hi i am looking for atpl air law classes or study notes in newzealand i really cant find anyone who does it in this country or who provides study notes for it, so anyone who has done it or have the sudy notes please let me know
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TZZ.........yeah it is mate,this whole package is a beauty....never had to use it as I did it back before rules were invented... but have mates that have used it...this material,a little luck and a tray of tui,s the night before....and you,ll be in like flynn ...........PB
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The ATPL Air Law is a easy paper when compared to the rest. It's considered to be an easy self study subject as no one formally offers a course in it.
I studied part time for 2 weeks, reading Parts 1, 91, 61, 121, 125 & 71 (?? airspace) and got a comfortable mark in the 90's
These are all downloadable from caa.govt.nz
Don't panick Mr Manering!!
Good Luck
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I studied part time for 2 weeks, reading Parts 1, 91, 61, 121, 125 & 71 (?? airspace) and got a comfortable mark in the 90's
These are all downloadable from caa.govt.nz
Don't panick Mr Manering!!
Good Luck
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if you're not already in too deep ring Nathan Higgins in QLD and see how the deal compares over the tasman... distinct lack of silly ATPL requirements over there. You get an ozzy ATPL out of your studies on a comprehensive integrated course, and then a super cheap kiwi one thrown in on the deal (TTMRA your shiny new casa one) and no future flight test requirement...
plus you can apply for qantas if thats your thing, or chase direct turbine command overseas. Do this now, as a CPL, and rest assured your ATPL is as easy as filling in some CASA forms when you have the hours, you'll get an ATPL by return post (well not exactly, there is the small matter of the ASIC card, go ask an ozzy)
Consider what could happen if you are left high and dry from a future NZ employer - who goes bust, fails you on a command upgrade course, or expands slower than your ambitions. You will still hold 2 ICAO ATPLs and you're employer wont have the ATPL licence carrot to dangle. You will be over 10 grand better off should you end up having to do an NZ ATPL with no employer to pay for it.
That would be my advice to anybody holding an NZ CPL - its a big world out there, shop around.
plus you can apply for qantas if thats your thing, or chase direct turbine command overseas. Do this now, as a CPL, and rest assured your ATPL is as easy as filling in some CASA forms when you have the hours, you'll get an ATPL by return post (well not exactly, there is the small matter of the ASIC card, go ask an ozzy)
Consider what could happen if you are left high and dry from a future NZ employer - who goes bust, fails you on a command upgrade course, or expands slower than your ambitions. You will still hold 2 ICAO ATPLs and you're employer wont have the ATPL licence carrot to dangle. You will be over 10 grand better off should you end up having to do an NZ ATPL with no employer to pay for it.
That would be my advice to anybody holding an NZ CPL - its a big world out there, shop around.
TZZ,
It's been a few years since I did the exam, but I used the stoneybrook notes. Spent 2 1/2 days studying for it. 1 day reading the front part on the relevant laws and the other 1 1/2 days going over the sample questions.
Walked out of the exam after 15 minutes and got in the mid 90's.
If I can do it, then anyone should be able to.
Goodluck.
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It's been a few years since I did the exam, but I used the stoneybrook notes. Spent 2 1/2 days studying for it. 1 day reading the front part on the relevant laws and the other 1 1/2 days going over the sample questions.
Walked out of the exam after 15 minutes and got in the mid 90's.
If I can do it, then anyone should be able to.
Goodluck.
S2K4
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thanks s2k4 and s2k i am waiting for the books to come and i have plenty of time for my exam and turbolager i dont care of flight test or not cause i am not going to use nz atpl in newzealand i am a national of bahrain and gulfair is happy with newzealand atpl and i have 3 more exams to go and i am happy with the exams in newzealand
Am I the only one that finds it a bit off that the ATPL written examination credit is not transferrable under the TTRMA?
Most, if not all, turboprop and jet operators require applicants to have passed the CASA ATPL theory to 'qualify' for a position, so although it is not a license as such, and i do understand the non-inclusion of single examinations, the 'written examination credit' as a whole should be recognised as a valuable 'qualification' and therefore transferrable under the TTRMA.
Any thoughts?
Most, if not all, turboprop and jet operators require applicants to have passed the CASA ATPL theory to 'qualify' for a position, so although it is not a license as such, and i do understand the non-inclusion of single examinations, the 'written examination credit' as a whole should be recognised as a valuable 'qualification' and therefore transferrable under the TTRMA.
Any thoughts?
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Thoughts...
Most, if not all, turboprop and jet operators require applicants to have passed the CASA ATPL theory ... ... the 'written examination credit' as a whole should be ... transferrable under the TTRMA.
For example, the NZ written exams might be more theoretical in nature, but rely on the practical test to sort out real-world problems. Australian exams might be more practical, not having a flight test. If this were true, you couldn't mix NZ written exams with the Australian issue requirements.
Private operators might be required by law to only employ CPL-qualified pilots, and then voluntarily restrict themselves by only dealing with applications "with ATPL written credits". But that's not at all the same as a government voluntarily degrading a stricter requirement to a less strict one.
Just another hoop to jump through really.
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I've heard some rumours that casa will be introducing a flight test requirement to qualify for the ATPL licence.
Just a rumour?
Does anyone have any confirmed info??
Knox.
Just a rumour?
Does anyone have any confirmed info??
Knox.
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turbolager i dont care of flight test or not cause i am not going to use nz atpl in newzealand i am a national of bahrain and gulfair is happy with newzealand atpl
In Australia, you finish your exams, you get the licence (providing you have the required experience). In NZ, you don't, you have to do a flight test in a turboprop aircraft. Hence my post
Good points Oktas8.
But, other than law, are the exams really that different?
I'm half way through the NZ ATPLs and starting to wonder if they're worth the hassle and cost when theres a good chance my first turbine job will be in OZ.
It does seem that a few international airlines are happy to take an NZ CPL and the theory credit though.
But, other than law, are the exams really that different?
I'm half way through the NZ ATPLs and starting to wonder if they're worth the hassle and cost when theres a good chance my first turbine job will be in OZ.
It does seem that a few international airlines are happy to take an NZ CPL and the theory credit though.
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This topic was done to death a month or so ago in the D&G forums so a quick search will reveal all.
Bottom line: If your not too far through, do the OZ over NZ ones anyday!
Bottom line: If your not too far through, do the OZ over NZ ones anyday!
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hi i got stoneybrook air law book today there r highlighted points and 400 sample questions, i wanted to know if the questions r helpful for exam and the high lighted points important
Do the AUS ATPL's, like everyone has previously stated, you will get the frozen ATPL licence immediately after passing the exams, and then automatically get the full licence once you meet the hours req's. Then it's as simple as paying the fee for the TTMRA, and wham, you have a NZ atpl.
I am a rotary guy (not driving planks), but this is the route I am in the middle of right now.
PLus at the moment there is no flight test in Aus, but I have heard rumours that there may be one in the not too distant future. So get your exams done now before it comes into effect.
You can do all of the study back in NZ using the AFT distance learning course and you could come over and need only 2 weeks or so to sit all the exams, providing you have done all the req'd preparation/study before coming across.
My 2 cents worth.
I am a rotary guy (not driving planks), but this is the route I am in the middle of right now.
PLus at the moment there is no flight test in Aus, but I have heard rumours that there may be one in the not too distant future. So get your exams done now before it comes into effect.
You can do all of the study back in NZ using the AFT distance learning course and you could come over and need only 2 weeks or so to sit all the exams, providing you have done all the req'd preparation/study before coming across.
My 2 cents worth.