Your Favourite Twin
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Wanna go fast and high, and beat small jet aircraft?
Cant go past the Cheyenne LS 400, with its STOL performance and ability to cruise at FL410, and the fact some smart operators have chosen them over a Citation or King Air, is a tribute to how good they really are!!! 
With 1000SHP per side, it can only be fun.....
With 1000SHP per side, it can only be fun.....
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PA44 / Duchess - Good initial twin trainers. Not much use beyond that.
Seneca - MK I the less said the better
. MK II on significant improvement.
C310 - Nice, comfortable. Reasonable handling. Seating position takes a bit of getting used to (like being on a barstool at the dining table!).
Aerostar - Without doubt the nicest aircraft to fly of the lot. Beautiful handling, great performance, reasonable load carrying. And totally undeserving of it's reputation (usually put forward by those who have never flown one). It just needs to be flown regularly by a competent and well trained pilot. Not one for the novices!
PA31 series - does the job well, but feels like a big old truck compared to some others. Woeful climb when heavy, but reasonable cruise.
C400 series - nicer in all respects than the PA31. C414A is a beautiful aircraft - comfortable, quiet, reasonably quick. But doesn't carry much.
AC500 - amazing aircraft. I am still astounded at what it can carry and how good it's field performance is. Handling is also very nice indeed (another Ted Smith design - anyone who hasn't flown one is missing out). Could be a bit quicker and quieter though.
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Seneca - MK I the less said the better
. MK II on significant improvement.C310 - Nice, comfortable. Reasonable handling. Seating position takes a bit of getting used to (like being on a barstool at the dining table!).
Aerostar - Without doubt the nicest aircraft to fly of the lot. Beautiful handling, great performance, reasonable load carrying. And totally undeserving of it's reputation (usually put forward by those who have never flown one). It just needs to be flown regularly by a competent and well trained pilot. Not one for the novices!
PA31 series - does the job well, but feels like a big old truck compared to some others. Woeful climb when heavy, but reasonable cruise.
C400 series - nicer in all respects than the PA31. C414A is a beautiful aircraft - comfortable, quiet, reasonably quick. But doesn't carry much.
AC500 - amazing aircraft. I am still astounded at what it can carry and how good it's field performance is. Handling is also very nice indeed (another Ted Smith design - anyone who hasn't flown one is missing out). Could be a bit quicker and quieter though.
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"In it's day a Conquest 11 could still beat a Cheyenne LS400 coast to coast either way."
Gaunty, I don't think so!
PA42-100 400ls high speed cruise 352kts at over FL400 would sh*t on any 441 i've ever flown.
Even the dash 10s would be very lucky to get over 300kts
Never flown 400ls, maybe they would need to refuel half way using those cruise settings.
RWS888
Gaunty, I don't think so!
PA42-100 400ls high speed cruise 352kts at over FL400 would sh*t on any 441 i've ever flown.
Even the dash 10s would be very lucky to get over 300kts
Never flown 400ls, maybe they would need to refuel half way using those cruise settings.
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Question for you: What extra performance, abilities and fuel efficiencies are brought to or are able to be wrung out of an aircraft when Chuck Yeager is at the controls than say you or me. 
Maybe its his interminable blowhard that helps. 
There has been one in Aus before, but then the owner replaced it with a Citation Bravo??.
It is a rocket ship, but anyone can build one of those, it's whether it actually works and sells that is the hard bit. And whether it will do all of those things at the same time is another thing altogether.
Read my original response again, carefully.
I would still have beaten you coast to coast in my Conquest 11.
rearwhelsteer888 there is some wisdom buried at the end of your post.
Question for you: What extra performance, abilities and fuel efficiencies are brought to or are able to be wrung out of an aircraft when Chuck Yeager is at the controls than say you or me.
Maybe its his interminable blowhard that helps. There has been one in Aus before, but then the owner replaced it with a Citation Bravo??.
It is a rocket ship, but anyone can build one of those, it's whether it actually works and sells that is the hard bit. And whether it will do all of those things at the same time is another thing altogether.
Read my original response again, carefully.
I would still have beaten you coast to coast in my Conquest 11.
rearwhelsteer888 there is some wisdom buried at the end of your post.
Cheyenne 400 
I guess the Thread Title does say 'Your Favourite Twin'.
Maybe it should have read 'Favourite Twins You Have Flown'...
Then we won't have to listen to SR71 stories !!!
I guess the Thread Title does say 'Your Favourite Twin'.
Maybe it should have read 'Favourite Twins You Have Flown'...
Then we won't have to listen to SR71 stories !!!
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(like being on a barstool at the dining table!).
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C310
isn't it great, 
same front of house as the 400 series too, great view, heaps of elbow room and the best seat in the house.
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??? help me out here mate, you can make them sit up and beg in any crosswind right through to the landing roll even unto kissing it on with a roller on the upwind wheel. 
(like being on a barstool at the dining table!)
same front of house as the 400 series too, great view, heaps of elbow room and the best seat in the house.Towering Q
you can have either idle power or right aileron...but not both
Towering Q.
Gaunty beat me to it. What are you on about.
If you can't operate ailerons full left to right with you left hand only, you've got to seriously consider the toll your nocturnal activities are taking on your left hand dexterity.
Maui
Gaunty beat me to it. What are you on about.
If you can't operate ailerons full left to right with you left hand only, you've got to seriously consider the toll your nocturnal activities are taking on your left hand dexterity.
Maui
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IT CLIMBS! The 400LS holds the fastest time to climb record in its class and category (set by Chuck Yeager).
IT CAN GO HIGH! The 400LS can climb to and cruise at an altitude of 41,000 feet!
ITS FAST! The 400LS can cruise at speeds up to 400 MPH!
HEAVY HAULER! The 400LS is capable of carrying up to 9 passengers plus crew!
ENDURANCE! The 400LS is capable of traveling up to 2000 miles (1890 nautical miles)!
IT CAN GO HIGH! The 400LS can climb to and cruise at an altitude of 41,000 feet!
ITS FAST! The 400LS can cruise at speeds up to 400 MPH!
HEAVY HAULER! The 400LS is capable of carrying up to 9 passengers plus crew!
ENDURANCE! The 400LS is capable of traveling up to 2000 miles (1890 nautical miles)!
Aircraft just don't work like that, not any I have flown anyway.
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well don’t know about all you folks as indeed everyone has diff. tastes but any metal tube with a pair of wings slapped on to it with all the other aerodynamic contraptions along with 2 or more rotating stallions that has more than one zero's is a pleasure to fly...
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Gday Gaunty,
I didnt say that uncle Chuck provided an extra anything, but I did say he was the one who set the record...... maybe he saw the writing on the wall and positioned himself well to be that lucky aviator.
Its my choice, maybe I just like 1000shp per side!!!
Only been a passenger up front on the conquest so cant really comment on them. Well you have to refuel at some time, suppose I like the extra power extra and speed.
Ben Beacon
I didnt say that uncle Chuck provided an extra anything, but I did say he was the one who set the record...... maybe he saw the writing on the wall and positioned himself well to be that lucky aviator.
Its my choice, maybe I just like 1000shp per side!!!
Only been a passenger up front on the conquest so cant really comment on them. Well you have to refuel at some time, suppose I like the extra power extra and speed.
Ben Beacon
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maui, all I am saying is that the space available between the right side of the control wheel (when holding right wing down) and the throttle levers in the power off position, won't accommodate my right leg (assuming I wish to leave the attached foot on the rudder).... the 'left hand dexterity', although it could be better
doesn't factor into it.
doesn't factor into it.
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If I may be permitted a slight digression into the realms of dreams.......
Either a DH Mosquito
or a
Lockheed P38
Reality beckons, so a Chieftain will do...........for now!
Either a DH Mosquito
or a
Lockheed P38
Reality beckons, so a Chieftain will do...........for now!
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kiwiblue; Way back in the early 80s when I was doing CPL theory, at one stage I attended some evening lectures in Basic Gas Turbines. One evening the lecturer digressed for a while and the subject of the Merlin in its various applications came up.
The Lecturer was a Kiwi and claimed that he knew of a Kiwi farmer who had not one but two intact Mosquitos, slowly rotting away, in a large shed on his property and had been known to escort any prospective purchasers off the property at gunpoint!!
Urban legend, fact or bar talk??
If there was any truth in the story I have absolutely no idea, but if indeed such a circumstance existed at the time I weep for the airframes!!
Such aircraft should be in a properly constituted museum at the least!!
The Lecturer was a Kiwi and claimed that he knew of a Kiwi farmer who had not one but two intact Mosquitos, slowly rotting away, in a large shed on his property and had been known to escort any prospective purchasers off the property at gunpoint!!
Urban legend, fact or bar talk??
If there was any truth in the story I have absolutely no idea, but if indeed such a circumstance existed at the time I weep for the airframes!!
Such aircraft should be in a properly constituted museum at the least!!
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The story of the Kiwi farmer with a Mosie in his shed was about when I was in Kiwiland in the early 80s. I heard it as one - did not hear about possibly two.
I do recall talking to Harold Bennett (notorious Departmental examiner) over a few beers about flying the Mosie. When in the airforce after the war he was charged with flying one that came into NZAF hands. Apparently it was a case of aeroplane in one hand - POH in the other - and away you go.
My old man was a wireless operator/air gunner on Baltimores in the middle-East during the war. His favorite aircraft was the Mosquito!
R
The story of the Kiwi farmer with a Mosie in his shed was about when I was in Kiwiland in the early 80s. I heard it as one - did not hear about possibly two.
I do recall talking to Harold Bennett (notorious Departmental examiner) over a few beers about flying the Mosie. When in the airforce after the war he was charged with flying one that came into NZAF hands. Apparently it was a case of aeroplane in one hand - POH in the other - and away you go.
My old man was a wireless operator/air gunner on Baltimores in the middle-East during the war. His favorite aircraft was the Mosquito!
R
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Pinky mate, just like the dozen or so brand new Mustangs in boxes in a NIssen hut up one of the rivers/creeks that run off the Mitchell Plateau near Truscott, supposed to have been left there at the end of hostilities and forgotten.