Qantas Cadetship 2008 going HECS?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 34
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Qantas Cadetship 2008 going HECS?
G'day all,
Heard today from someone who went to a high school careers expo last week in Adelaide that the QF Cadetship is going under the HECS payment scheme.
Can anyone confirm this please? If this is the case, is this for the flying training and/or is there an actual university degree becoming a requirement of the QF Cadetship. This is the first i've heard of this coming under HECS - however I came across a paper submitted by QF regarding employment in the transportation industry (on the aph.gov.au website) which did mention that QF could be doing this in the future to attract more applications.
Thanks,
Cheers
Tim
Heard today from someone who went to a high school careers expo last week in Adelaide that the QF Cadetship is going under the HECS payment scheme.
Can anyone confirm this please? If this is the case, is this for the flying training and/or is there an actual university degree becoming a requirement of the QF Cadetship. This is the first i've heard of this coming under HECS - however I came across a paper submitted by QF regarding employment in the transportation industry (on the aph.gov.au website) which did mention that QF could be doing this in the future to attract more applications.
Thanks,
Cheers
Tim
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 34
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
To add to my last post...
http://www.aph.gov.au/SEnate/committ...ions/sub26.pdf
A quote from Page 10:
http://www.aph.gov.au/SEnate/committ...ions/sub26.pdf
A quote from Page 10:
What We Are Doing
We currently offer a Qantas Cadet program which includes approximately one year of flight
training at a training school, and two years of industry placement. This is a self-funded program,
which offers no guarantee of employment at Qantas upon completion of the program.
In order to address the potential shortage of pilots, we are currently working with a university to
create an extension of the program. This will involve Qantas cadets completing a Bachelor of
Aviation and a Graduate Diploma in Flight Training. In this case the fees are able to be deferred
through the government Fee-Help Program. It is anticipated that this will increase the number of
people applying for a Qantas Cadetship as they will no longer be required to pay the
approximately $100,000 for their Flight Training upfront.
We currently offer a Qantas Cadet program which includes approximately one year of flight
training at a training school, and two years of industry placement. This is a self-funded program,
which offers no guarantee of employment at Qantas upon completion of the program.
In order to address the potential shortage of pilots, we are currently working with a university to
create an extension of the program. This will involve Qantas cadets completing a Bachelor of
Aviation and a Graduate Diploma in Flight Training. In this case the fees are able to be deferred
through the government Fee-Help Program. It is anticipated that this will increase the number of
people applying for a Qantas Cadetship as they will no longer be required to pay the
approximately $100,000 for their Flight Training upfront.
Join Date: May 2007
Location: bagdad
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I doubt it.......
That's a lot of hecs to pay back
I'd say it would cost more than $100,000 at current prices for a zero hour pilot to be ready for industry placement...
CPL $50,000 +
IFR RATING $13,000+
MULTI ENDOR with hours up to $10,000
ALL CASA EXAM $3500
MEDICAL's $1000+
COST OF UNI 3 YRS $15,000+
PLUS MANY OTHER COSTS
ENDO FOR TURBO PROP $10,000+
Possibility for cadets to go to Jetstar as cruise FO's now getting paid $60,000......
I believe there are cheaper ways to get to an airline now without lining the pockets of QF...
That's a lot of hecs to pay back
I'd say it would cost more than $100,000 at current prices for a zero hour pilot to be ready for industry placement...
CPL $50,000 +
IFR RATING $13,000+
MULTI ENDOR with hours up to $10,000
ALL CASA EXAM $3500
MEDICAL's $1000+
COST OF UNI 3 YRS $15,000+
PLUS MANY OTHER COSTS
ENDO FOR TURBO PROP $10,000+
Possibility for cadets to go to Jetstar as cruise FO's now getting paid $60,000......
I believe there are cheaper ways to get to an airline now without lining the pockets of QF...
Join Date: May 2005
Location: oz (30% of the time)
Age: 62
Posts: 277
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If Qantas has such a great product and are so loyal to their employees why would:
that happen? 
Should other airlines, such as those mentioned above,(Cathay Pacific,Singapore, Dragon Air, Emirates) introduce additional Australian bases or expand the size of their current Australian bases, it is anticipated similarly that we will see the number of people resigning to take up positions with these carriers increase. For example, historically it has been very unusual for second officers to resign from Qantas to work for another airline, yet recently we have had a small number do this.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: australia
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"Possibility for cadets to go to Jetstar as cruise FO's now getting paid $60,000......
I believe there are cheaper ways to get to an airline now without lining the pockets of QF..."
Just to confirm.......the cadets to be employed soon will be in mainline. As far as I am aware there is nothing to substantiate anything about cadets going to Jetstar as Cruise FO's. Happy to stand corrected though.
QANTAS do not receive any money from cadets, except in the psych testing etc. Payment for training is between the candidate and the flying training organisation, QANTAS has nothing to do with it.
Cheers
I believe there are cheaper ways to get to an airline now without lining the pockets of QF..."
Just to confirm.......the cadets to be employed soon will be in mainline. As far as I am aware there is nothing to substantiate anything about cadets going to Jetstar as Cruise FO's. Happy to stand corrected though.
QANTAS do not receive any money from cadets, except in the psych testing etc. Payment for training is between the candidate and the flying training organisation, QANTAS has nothing to do with it.
Cheers
Last edited by astroboy55; 1st Jun 2007 at 12:45. Reason: Bad Spelling
Guessing you mean the Cadets that have already been in their industry placement for OVER 2 years now??
I think the guy above was referring to the Cadets going from their training, to Deathstar as cruise F/O's (what a RORT!).
morno
I think the guy above was referring to the Cadets going from their training, to Deathstar as cruise F/O's (what a RORT!).
morno
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Under the Equator
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I understand Full Fee funding for Pilot Training is/was available to our East-Island Cousins.
Apparently some students did OK but others spent NZ$50k-NZ$100k and got nowhere except building a huge debt.
NZ Flight Schools the big winners?.
Oz Operators the big winners at NZ taxpayer expense?.
Any of our Kiwi Bretheren care to elaborate?.
Apparently some students did OK but others spent NZ$50k-NZ$100k and got nowhere except building a huge debt.
NZ Flight Schools the big winners?.
Oz Operators the big winners at NZ taxpayer expense?.
Any of our Kiwi Bretheren care to elaborate?.
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Speightsville
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Full funding has been around in NZ for several years now. It's very easy to access, and is generally done through an 'association' with a Polytech (Nelson/Marlborough etc) or University (Griffith, Massey etc). No pre screening or aptitude tests were required. There was an attempt to overhaul the system about two years ago, but nothing really changed. There have been many dreamers who have stacked up a substantial loan and will never earn even a PPL.
I could be mistaken but believe there is a 'quota' system now to limit the number of fully funded students per school. Its not uncommon to talk to newbies who have had full funding with loans well over $100K.
I could be mistaken but believe there is a 'quota' system now to limit the number of fully funded students per school. Its not uncommon to talk to newbies who have had full funding with loans well over $100K.
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 206
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Some of these groups possess skills and capabilities
that are unique to the aviation industry, such as Pilots or Licensed Aircraft Engineers, and any
deficit in the supply of this labour would have a direct and detrimental affect on the ability of
Qantas to operate.
that are unique to the aviation industry, such as Pilots or Licensed Aircraft Engineers, and any
deficit in the supply of this labour would have a direct and detrimental affect on the ability of
Qantas to operate.
Step 1 – Denial. In order to fix a problem, you need to acknowledge first that you have a problem.
Well done Qantas, you get a smiley face for that question, although it took you a while.
Step 2 – Don’t Pass the Buck. Do not come up with a half baked solution and blame the government for a labour shortage in a free market.
Oops, you stuffed that one up. X
I still can’t see how a school leaver would want to gamble a $100,000 HECS debt knowing that..
This is a self-funded program,
which offers no guarantee of employment at Qantas upon completion of the program
which offers no guarantee of employment at Qantas upon completion of the program
cost associated with accepting low-paid employment in order
to gain experience necessary to obtain employment
to gain experience necessary to obtain employment
Qantaslink (Regional) Pilots
The story for Qantaslink pilots is quite different to that as for main-line Qantas pilots above. The
increasing shortage of qualified pilots for recruitment is already present.
The story for Qantaslink pilots is quite different to that as for main-line Qantas pilots above. The
increasing shortage of qualified pilots for recruitment is already present.
CX Cadet Pilot Program may soon be open to everyone.
CX too have a cadet program. Up until recently only Hong Kong Permanent ID holders were eligible. They have been finding it very difficult for a number of years to find suitable applicants in Hong Kong or abroad that meet the above requirement so they have changed it to only requiring a HK ID card. If this doesn’t produce the applicants they need they intend to open the floodgates to anyone of any nationality. What’s more CX pays for the entire cadet course in Adelaide. None of this you pay and we may employ you. They will pay and if you get through the sixty two week course you have a job.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Age: 34
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Timmy why dont you just go to the qantas website and research it yourself, that way at least you would get the facts.Be resourcefull mate.
Basically from the cadetship info night,
SOME of the cadetship courses are supported under FEE-HELP (not as good as HECS-HELP as there is a 20% loan fee). There's still a big difference that you have to pay up front without any assistance from FEE-HELP nearly 40 grand + accommodation and living expenses. FEE-HELP has a max borrowing of 80 grand.
Interesting to note - that not all the QF cadetship options are FEE-HELP. Also Griffith University, by default giving all its students (cadets or not) the option to use FEE-HELP for "graduate training" aka flying training.
Cheers
Tim
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Qantas a joke
I think that Qantas are an absolute joke. You spend all that money getting a plain vanilla cpl to apply for a qantas commercial scheme. They want you to pay 40k plus all expenses to be trained on their wonderful scheme with no job guarantees. Any other industry and the employer pays...who do they think they are...Stuff em...ive been offered a job near to 100k elsewhere (different industry)..why would i spend more money in an industry with morons like these that wont pay you what you are worth having already spent 50k. The whole industry needs to wake up before they have no pilots.
Guest
Posts: n/a
I totally agree with Aviator500 - The aviation industry is a joke and Qantas and the majority of training providers are still in denial about the looming pilot shortage. ohh wait that is happening now! No wonder young people are ditching the aviation industry these days. Why would you spend thousands of dollars training in an industry that does not guarentee you a job and offers low pay after all that money is spent? 
I know people say you fly because you love flying but I guess that does not cut it anymore with young people. We don't want to work for peanuts or be treated badly by G.A if we use that route to go the airlines!
I know people say you fly because you love flying but I guess that does not cut it anymore with young people. We don't want to work for peanuts or be treated badly by G.A if we use that route to go the airlines!
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Exactly Tintin. I have my CPL. I will enjoy it for what it is worth until they drop their requirements to what i feel is realistic and fair.
I dont feel GA is the way to go anymore. GA used to be the life blood for the airlines (Q) but i fear that will dry up soon. You cant pay a pilot 30k in GA for a few years and then only 40k for a basic RPT...we are worth more than that. I have a degree and qualified accountant. CPL is worth more and consequently worth more pay than these. Wake up aussie aviation industry!!!
I dont feel GA is the way to go anymore. GA used to be the life blood for the airlines (Q) but i fear that will dry up soon. You cant pay a pilot 30k in GA for a few years and then only 40k for a basic RPT...we are worth more than that. I have a degree and qualified accountant. CPL is worth more and consequently worth more pay than these. Wake up aussie aviation industry!!!
