To instruct or to charter...that is the question
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To instruct or to charter...that is the question
Hi All
I'm at the crossroads as to whether to venture into charter or do instructing in order to gain precious command hours. From airlines point of view what do they prefer or don't they care?
Obviously I would need to get some Multi time as well. Are accepting are charter companies of pilots that obtained their hours mainly from instructing?
Thanks for your help
I'm at the crossroads as to whether to venture into charter or do instructing in order to gain precious command hours. From airlines point of view what do they prefer or don't they care?
Obviously I would need to get some Multi time as well. Are accepting are charter companies of pilots that obtained their hours mainly from instructing?
Thanks for your help
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instructing would be the best thing because (i could be wrong) but not to many charter groups would let a 300ttish pilot go loose. we wouldnt but we are a weird bunch
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I know some companies that take on cpl's with 300tt. It often depends if you have some time on the heavy singles ie 206, 210. There is a lot of movement in the top end charter areas...I couldnt believe my eyes when I saw Alligator Air advertising on the AFAP website...16th May!
http://www.afap.org.au/html/s02_arti..._id=73&dsb=447
All the trolley boys must have jobs now...fantastic!
Cheers, PA
http://www.afap.org.au/html/s02_arti..._id=73&dsb=447
All the trolley boys must have jobs now...fantastic!
Cheers, PA
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Yeah, also consider if you want to instruct... No point going into instructing if you cant stand not flying and watching someone else fly the aircraft most the time... makes for an average instructor.
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There are a few operators who will probably take you on with those hours, King Leo's, Broome Av, Broome Air Services - in Broome or Sling Air and Alligator in Kunnunurra. They are all big singles operators and as long as you show some commonsense and are serious about giving it a good go in the NW, then it will work out. You could come out with over 1000 hours at then end of it and maybe some twin time to boot.
Plus it'll save you the additional cost of doing your rating at this stage and if you do decide to instruct later on in your career then you will be able to pass on some genuine practical knowledge.
Give them a call and sound it out for yourself, I know alot of guys who transited the region and in a few short years are now flying for companies like Skippers, Nat Jet, Maroomba, Network etc etc
Plus it'll save you the additional cost of doing your rating at this stage and if you do decide to instruct later on in your career then you will be able to pass on some genuine practical knowledge.
Give them a call and sound it out for yourself, I know alot of guys who transited the region and in a few short years are now flying for companies like Skippers, Nat Jet, Maroomba, Network etc etc
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I know of one instructor who has several thousands of hours all instructing and one of the best pilots I have operated with. Despite applications to many airlines and operators he has been unable to crack an interview. This suggests that lots instructor time is considered a no-no with airline recruiting interview panels. If you want to climb the ladder stay clear of instructing for a lengthy period.
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Don,t instruct!!!
Read between the lines.
There is no experience like experience.
Flying circuits in a C152 isn,t the real world.
Yes it will be alot harder.But your experience gained is far more than any instructing job.
It WIll take time.But no one owes you a living just because you,ve forked out the big bucks.Live on Spag Bol @ Jam sammys and enjoy the experience.
Goodluck.M
There is no experience like experience.
Flying circuits in a C152 isn,t the real world.
Yes it will be alot harder.But your experience gained is far more than any instructing job.
It WIll take time.But no one owes you a living just because you,ve forked out the big bucks.Live on Spag Bol @ Jam sammys and enjoy the experience.
Goodluck.M
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If you honestly believe that you can teach someone to fly properly with only 300tt, go for it. Otherwise, get some real experience in the charter industry. It's a hard slog in most places, but it can be worth it.
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Gidday HB, I understand your problem. If you have a passion for instructing, go for it ! Like most jobs, it's hard to do well unless you really really want to be there, but if you want to challenge yourself and make a difference to the next generation of pilots, then welcome aboard
Otherwise you'll have way more fun chasing down a charter job and doing well in that. That first job isn't easy, but it is out there somewhere.
Ignore multime - that's the most ignorant post I've seen on prune in a long time, but it does prove that you don't need to know what you're talking about in order to post on prune.
Otherwise you'll have way more fun chasing down a charter job and doing well in that. That first job isn't easy, but it is out there somewhere.
Ignore multime - that's the most ignorant post I've seen on prune in a long time, but it does prove that you don't need to know what you're talking about in order to post on prune.
Question? How are you gonna teach someone when you barely know yourself??
That's half the reason we have such low quality pilots coming out of flying schools these days, because the instructors teaching them are barely any more experienced than the student! However, sadly, until instructors wages go up quite a bit, that's all we're stuck with.
Get out and do some charter son,. You'll love it.
morno
That's half the reason we have such low quality pilots coming out of flying schools these days, because the instructors teaching them are barely any more experienced than the student! However, sadly, until instructors wages go up quite a bit, that's all we're stuck with.
Get out and do some charter son,
. You'll love it.morno
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That's half the reason we have such low quality pilots coming out of flying schools these days
It's hard to be a good instructor with limited experience, but that's only one of the ingredients needed to be a good instructor. Attitude and flying ability far outweigh experience as a predictor of teaching ability.
I challenge your assumption that the system inherently produces low quality pilots.
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well written comment.
The one thing that really sh*ts me about some young instructors is their total lack of respect for their students. They see it as another hour in the log book. And belive me, treat students( paying customers) like that for to long they will pick up on it to.
HappyBandit - You need to ask yourself this. Will you be 110% working for the better of the student, or are you just working to gain the hrs required for a better job.
Im not saying the hrs buliding is wrong, im just trying to say to be an instructor you must be a instructor, for the students. Dont be an instructor with preconcived hrs/calander time requirements for the next job.
Yes you will move forward in instructing, how fast? thats up to you and how you treat your students. Happy students refer instructors!
Treat them right and you will have work flooding in.
Anyway, Good luck mate! Safe Flying!
well written comment.
The one thing that really sh*ts me about some young instructors is their total lack of respect for their students. They see it as another hour in the log book. And belive me, treat students( paying customers) like that for to long they will pick up on it to.
HappyBandit - You need to ask yourself this. Will you be 110% working for the better of the student, or are you just working to gain the hrs required for a better job.
Im not saying the hrs buliding is wrong, im just trying to say to be an instructor you must be a instructor, for the students. Dont be an instructor with preconcived hrs/calander time requirements for the next job.
Yes you will move forward in instructing, how fast? thats up to you and how you treat your students. Happy students refer instructors!
Treat them right and you will have work flooding in.
Anyway, Good luck mate! Safe Flying!
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Hey Happy,
I'll be at that same crossroads in a month or two. I was going to go instructing, but now im not so sure. For everybody saying "dont do instructing", are you only saying this because you have a job in charter, and you aren't in our position? Not trying to be disrespectful, just wanting to know what you thought when you were at the crossroads. Any comments welcome.
Cheers, toronto_flyer.
I'll be at that same crossroads in a month or two. I was going to go instructing, but now im not so sure. For everybody saying "dont do instructing", are you only saying this because you have a job in charter, and you aren't in our position? Not trying to be disrespectful, just wanting to know what you thought when you were at the crossroads. Any comments welcome.
Cheers, toronto_flyer.
To be completely honest, when I was at the crossroads, I went up and did charter. Best decision I ever made. I'm the one doing the flying, I'm also the one doing the learning. And the people who were at the same point at the same time, that went instructing, are still doing exactly that. They also have nearly half the time! I went and did charter in singles, then twins, and thankfully am now on turbines.
But, what would I know. Apparently because I didn't instruct my opinion is void,.
morno
But, what would I know. Apparently because I didn't instruct my opinion is void,
.morno
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What are the places that Rabid Nuts like then??
Ok so it looks as though charter is looking more favoured from the responses from here at least. The places that Rabid mentions....ie King Leopold, Broome Air Services, Broome Aviation, Sling Air etc....what are these places like in terms of operations, hours, chief pilot, money etc.
Just that I've had a tad of bad luck lately with one particular operator. Don't neccessarily want a repeat if I can help it. Surely they're not all shonky.?
Just that I've had a tad of bad luck lately with one particular operator. Don't neccessarily want a repeat if I can help it. Surely they're not all shonky.?
Do you want me to introduce the search engine?? 
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HB bows to morno
Morno
I pledge my sincere honor to you. You have the tact of a few chief pilots I know....But thanks for your helpful input all the same
I pledge my sincere honor to you. You have the tact of a few chief pilots I know....But thanks for your helpful input all the same