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No I didn't notice it. Offensive I must say.
There must have been some sort of resolution as the trial was supposed to go on for 2 weeks. It has only run 1 week.
Perhaps council has cut the submissions short to save both parties money. You know how it is. The only people who win in these settings are the lawyers.
There must have been some sort of resolution as the trial was supposed to go on for 2 weeks. It has only run 1 week.
Perhaps council has cut the submissions short to save both parties money. You know how it is. The only people who win in these settings are the lawyers.
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From speaking to people at the airport, I understand it's over.
Here is a record of another recent legal case involving McWilliam, this time against CASA.
McWilliam and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2008] AATA 687 (6 August 2008)
Here is a record of another recent legal case involving McWilliam, this time against CASA.
McWilliam and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2008] AATA 687 (6 August 2008)
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A little bird told me there’s a possibility that McWilliam will be conducting illegal flights off his ROAD within a few days.
I would imagine the surveillance would be full on.
Would any pilot be foolish enough??????
tfl
I would imagine the surveillance would be full on.
Would any pilot be foolish enough??????
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You may have to arm your King Air with a few air to air missiles to cut through the fog on the way down there and there is a good chance that it will not be weather related
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Ok tnxs guys for the heads up re 'missiles'
I used to drop in there from time to time about a hundred years ago pre- 'disspute days(& not pilot disspute either) but it still seems like there's some trouble down there.. Has the 'caravan' in question had an 'engine' failure & can't be moved?
Just as a side note & I don't want to be shot down either tnxs but did I read somewhere in CASA's truck load of junk that para ops could be done thru cloud under certain conditions? Just curious is all.
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I used to drop in there from time to time about a hundred years ago pre- 'disspute days(& not pilot disspute either) but it still seems like there's some trouble down there.. Has the 'caravan' in question had an 'engine' failure & can't be moved?Just as a side note & I don't want to be shot down either tnxs but did I read somewhere in CASA's truck load of junk that para ops could be done thru cloud under certain conditions? Just curious is all.
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You are right, a para company can get cloud jump approval.
It is a seperate procedure that is included in your ops manual and has to be signed by the company, AFP, airservices and casa.
You are right, a para company can get cloud jump approval.
It is a seperate procedure that is included in your ops manual and has to be signed by the company, AFP, airservices and casa.
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WOW ok 'av8' tnxs for clarifying that, I thought I had seen it say as much somewhere. Have never stepped out of a serviceable plane whilst airborne but to do it & enter cloud must be an incredible feeling, something that am happy NOT to expereince So i gather this procedure was lacking in this case? Anyway I don;t want to go too deep into that particular case but just as a side note I often am in the same airspace as jumpers mainly to the NE of ML (with lateral seperation as arranged by ATC) & think gee I'm on top of a lot of cloud say 7 octs & their dropping out of planes like conrods from an oiless Lyc
I guess these guys have that approval, who would have thought, IFR without a plane!
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So i gather this procedure was lacking in this case? Anyway I don;t want to go too deep into that particular case but just as a side note I often am in the same airspace as jumpers mainly to the NE of ML (with lateral seperation as arranged by ATC) & think gee I'm on top of a lot of cloud say 7 octs & their dropping out of planes like conrods from an oiless Lyc I guess these guys have that approval, who would have thought, IFR without a plane!CW
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Would you like to rephrase one of your comments please?
It should go like :" dropping out of planes like conrods from an oilless CONTINENTAL "
Thank you
It should go like :" dropping out of planes like conrods from an oilless CONTINENTAL "
Thank you
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Wally, I'm out of the same airfield as the jumpers in NE Melbourne and they seem to always be in the clear as far as cloud separation is concerned. ATC will often give them extended clearances to get them over the top of a big enough hole so they can jump. Otherwise the pilots head south and come back in under the cloud fully loaded again.
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Sorry 'sms777' yr right Conty's Conty's
'flog' I sure would like to think that jumpers everywhere NEVER fly thru cloud if they are not meant to but I also like to think that VFR pilots don't do the same sometimes too but we would be telling 'porky pies' saying as much wouldn't we?. I'm not saying that these guys too the NE of ML do it (IFR jumps so to speak) but often I wonder they must be good to drop thru a hole when it 'appears' to be heavily cloud covered. Still their choice as long as they don't fill my windscreen let them fall like those "Conty conrods" That Nagambie is a popular spot I often here para ops there.Still don't know how they do it, they all ought to get bravery awards !
Ok back to the thread. I've read a fair bit of the goings on there now & gee what a mess! What a shame that it has come down to this, court cases & lots of unhappy people. I do hope as others have said that common sense prevails & justice is done.
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'flog' I sure would like to think that jumpers everywhere NEVER fly thru cloud if they are not meant to but I also like to think that VFR pilots don't do the same sometimes too but we would be telling 'porky pies' saying as much wouldn't we?
. I'm not saying that these guys too the NE of ML do it (IFR jumps so to speak) but often I wonder they must be good to drop thru a hole when it 'appears' to be heavily cloud covered. Still their choice as long as they don't fill my windscreen let them fall like those "Conty conrods" That Nagambie is a popular spot I often here para ops there.Still don't know how they do it, they all ought to get bravery awards !Ok back to the thread. I've read a fair bit of the goings on there now & gee what a mess! What a shame that it has come down to this, court cases & lots of unhappy people. I do hope as others have said that common sense prevails & justice is done.
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Parachutists are "supposed" to only jump through cloud if they have the jump cloud approval.
Some of the things that limit this are:
Carry out a briefing before the jump - this includes the attendance of the pilot.
All tandem masters and camera persons must be endorsed for cloud jumping.
The drop zone must be approved.
Ground crew to be in attendance before exit.
Ground crew clearance to the pilot before exit.
Take a count of all personal involved in the jump.
Can only jump through cloud with a certain cloud base.
Must have a loadmaster.
LOA with airservices.
No radical manoeuvres in cloud.
Minimal tracking or horizontal movement in cloud.
Should not jump through cloud if it is likely that the parachute will need to be opened or flown in cloud.
Specific procedures if found to be under canopy in cloud.
Obviously it is still a VFR operation so the pilot will then have to go hunting for a hole to get down.
The good thing is that the pilot always has the last say.
Oh by the way, if it is raining, they wont go through the cloud because it hurts to much.
Cheers
Parachutists are "supposed" to only jump through cloud if they have the jump cloud approval.
Some of the things that limit this are:
Carry out a briefing before the jump - this includes the attendance of the pilot.
All tandem masters and camera persons must be endorsed for cloud jumping.
The drop zone must be approved.
Ground crew to be in attendance before exit.
Ground crew clearance to the pilot before exit.
Take a count of all personal involved in the jump.
Can only jump through cloud with a certain cloud base.
Must have a loadmaster.
LOA with airservices.
No radical manoeuvres in cloud.
Minimal tracking or horizontal movement in cloud.
Should not jump through cloud if it is likely that the parachute will need to be opened or flown in cloud.
Specific procedures if found to be under canopy in cloud.
Obviously it is still a VFR operation so the pilot will then have to go hunting for a hole to get down.
The good thing is that the pilot always has the last say.
Oh by the way, if it is raining, they wont go through the cloud because it hurts to much.
Cheers