Aircraft of choice for outback tour
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ok, coming down to specifics...
I personally prefer low wing so the piper looks better than jab or cessna
and another question to throw out into the forum-
what's the best deal for a 2 seater anything in Sydney area for day trips.
I personally prefer low wing so the piper looks better than jab or cessna
and another question to throw out into the forum-
what's the best deal for a 2 seater anything in Sydney area for day trips.
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Get a bonanza son, 
More limited by fuel and in weight compared to say a C210. But you still waft across the states comfortably and quickly in the A36. It is most certainly the horniest aeroplane I've ever flown
More limited by fuel and in weight compared to say a C210. But you still waft across the states comfortably and quickly in the A36. It is most certainly the horniest aeroplane I've ever flown
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Scenics in a two seater, I reckon the Tecnam P92 Echo Super is the go, high wing for good vis, almost like an R22 helo, and economical. 95-100 kts.
Some places at Bankstown or Hoxton have them I believe.
J
Some places at Bankstown or Hoxton have them I believe.
J
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J-430, the link you posted seem to have sent their website into meltdown, but from what else I can find on the net looks like my sort of aircraft!
Would love to see some specs!
Would love to see some specs!
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The big problem is fuel availabilty and cost (things like callout and having to buy a whole drum). This suggests a J160 at 1,000 nm (no reserve) which mostly covers the gap between cardswipe bowsers. Flying around in one permits a degree of flexibility concerning routes and scenery which most other a/c do not have (try a 200 nm scenic diversion in a C172) and at low cost.
Note that it is much bigger inside than the earlier Jabs and has the throttle on the dash. A further comfort point is the high wing loading for an ultralight
Note that it is much bigger inside than the earlier Jabs and has the throttle on the dash. A further comfort point is the high wing loading for an ultralight
At $$$ per mile fuel and running cost you will NOT beat a J430 if you had 3 or 4 people, although luggage for a big trip could be an issue with 4. 3 POB and luggage would be a breeze.
There must be a reason why Jabiru are shipping out over 20 aircraft a month!
I've done all the calculations before and the Jab gives the best $$$ per mile calculation, even compared to RV6 etc. Throw a third person in the back and you blow them out of the water.
If you want fast economical 2-up cruising, anything from the RV range would be terrific, or perhaps a Thorp T18.
A mate of mine has been all over OZ, plus Fiji, New Guinea and Vanuatu in his NVFR RV6 and it's the ideal aircraft. Short takeoff and landing, excellent performance. He climbs at over 1,000 fpm at 13,500ft with a fixed pitch and 160 hp. Cruise around 150 indicated.
That's all very well if you are not an owner... if you are hiring you're up for lots of cash no matter what and the best you might do is a clapped out old tinny if you're looking for a cheap hire rate.
There must be a reason why Jabiru are shipping out over 20 aircraft a month!
I've done all the calculations before and the Jab gives the best $$$ per mile calculation, even compared to RV6 etc. Throw a third person in the back and you blow them out of the water.
If you want fast economical 2-up cruising, anything from the RV range would be terrific, or perhaps a Thorp T18.
A mate of mine has been all over OZ, plus Fiji, New Guinea and Vanuatu in his NVFR RV6 and it's the ideal aircraft. Short takeoff and landing, excellent performance. He climbs at over 1,000 fpm at 13,500ft with a fixed pitch and 160 hp. Cruise around 150 indicated.
That's all very well if you are not an owner... if you are hiring you're up for lots of cash no matter what and the best you might do is a clapped out old tinny if you're looking for a cheap hire rate.
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Going for a quick jaunt around the Alice with a few mates next month, turns out the Arrow was the best choice for us, with reasonable rates and good endurance. With 2 people though, might want to look at a Tecnam or a Jabiru, much cheaper.
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you couldn't be serious unless it's a C-185 with long range tanks. Endurance, any strips you want, time to see what is around you.
Beech is only for those who hate flying. You just want to rush out and back and miss the real experience.
Beech is only for those who hate flying. You just want to rush out and back and miss the real experience.
"Beech is only for those who hate flying. You just want to rush out and back and miss the real experience"
Maxter, I sorta kinda agree with you.
I got over flying for the sake of it many years ago, but I do enjoy using an aircraft to dramatically expand my circle of operation and to go place I would not otherwise go. For me its in the going - and you can never go fast enough.
I did the C185 thing years ago - and I am over it. Like flying a Tiger Moth - been there, done that, wouldn't bother with it again. And my views on gliding are well documented in here.
A C208 is probably the right aircraft for most of what I do, but if I could afford a Van - I'd get a TBM700.
I guess its a case of each to his own!
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Maxter, I sorta kinda agree with you.
I got over flying for the sake of it many years ago, but I do enjoy using an aircraft to dramatically expand my circle of operation and to go place I would not otherwise go. For me its in the going - and you can never go fast enough.
I did the C185 thing years ago - and I am over it. Like flying a Tiger Moth - been there, done that, wouldn't bother with it again. And my views on gliding are well documented in here.
A C208 is probably the right aircraft for most of what I do, but if I could afford a Van - I'd get a TBM700.
I guess its a case of each to his own!
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A C210 is the go. High wing - no strut for good veiw. Long legs between drinks (longer than my bladder finds comfortable). Fast. Carries 700kgs. Quite good short field - all things considered.
Rockhampton to Longreach and back without refueling.
Breakfast in Rockhampton to Lunch on Lake Maquarie (Cooranbong - near Warnervale) in 4 hours. Me, missus, 2 kids a bunch of bags and a pram etc. Try that in an Arrow or 172.
Rockhampton to Longreach and back without refueling.
Breakfast in Rockhampton to Lunch on Lake Maquarie (Cooranbong - near Warnervale) in 4 hours. Me, missus, 2 kids a bunch of bags and a pram etc. Try that in an Arrow or 172.
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Beech is only for those who hate flying. You just want to rush out and back and miss the real experience"
Maxtor.. You got it in one. The A36 is the landcruiser of the air. You just throw everything and everyone in, go there, do what you gotta do and come home, put it in the hangar and go to the pub.
Maxtor.. You got it in one. The A36 is the landcruiser of the air. You just throw everything and everyone in, go there, do what you gotta do and come home, put it in the hangar and go to the pub.
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KingToad,
If I left an hour before you, I could dine with you, but from my location I would beat ya
Yes a C210 is a mighty weapon, or a C208! PLLLEENNTTY of go and comfort and load....just a lot of kero!
J
If I left an hour before you, I could dine with you, but from my location I would beat ya
Yes a C210 is a mighty weapon, or a C208! PLLLEENNTTY of go and comfort and load....just a lot of kero!
J
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It certainly does seem to be case of each to his/her own.
It depends on seats, payload and cost/mile.
I've done some number crunching on cost/mile on a large cross section of a/c.
For a two to four seater low wing with plenty payload speed and range it's hard to beat Grumman Tiger.
It depends on seats, payload and cost/mile.
I've done some number crunching on cost/mile on a large cross section of a/c.
For a two to four seater low wing with plenty payload speed and range it's hard to beat Grumman Tiger.
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maxter 15 years ago I owned a C185...now I own a Bonanza..both MIGHTY fine aeroplanes. I have from time to time pined for a 185 again...then I fly a mates 180 and that feeling goes away. 180/185 is great fun to land and takeoff but I was stunned how bad the visibility was (except for straight down) after the Bo...and comfort/elbow room/payload?
I grew outa MGBs too.
Beech King...Landbruiser? Bentley maybe
I grew outa MGBs too.
Beech King...Landbruiser? Bentley maybe
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I agree sprocket - the AA5B is hard to beat in that category. I flew one out in Broken Hill a few times many Christmases ago - It was called "The Chocolate Frog" (VH-SZJ I think). A very useful and fast aeroplane - a bit of a sportscar methinks!
I wouldn't call the A36 a Landcruiser - that's more C185/C206 territory. Bonza is more of a posh family station wagon.
I wouldn't call the A36 a Landcruiser - that's more C185/C206 territory. Bonza is more of a posh family station wagon.
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Chimbu, I put stuff in my A36 that you wouldn't put in a Bently (or BMW X5 for that matter). My old girl has carted poddy calves,saddles, dogs, tool boxes, fuel pumps, turbos, disassembled motorcycles, kid's 4 wheel motorbikes and the smelliest and heaviest truck drivers you will ever meet.
Then there's the tons and tons of yellow belly, Barra, snapper and parrot fish. It has outlasted one Waeco fridge and carted both my newborn kids home from hospital, and given me bugger all trouble
Its the best vehicle I've ever owned
Then there's the tons and tons of yellow belly, Barra, snapper and parrot fish. It has outlasted one Waeco fridge and carted both my newborn kids home from hospital, and given me bugger all trouble
Its the best vehicle I've ever owned