Aircraft Down?
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Aircraft Down?
just heard Careflight 1 talking to sydney radar about VH-MFG and it sounded like there was some kind of a crash landing...
dont really know where i woudl assume the training area..
MFG is on the ground... somewhere with careflight being vectored in by radar over the last known position. MFG are talking but i cant pick them up.
I could be wrong it just sounded like it thats all
Any news?
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Carflight 1 and Polair 2 onsite
dont really know where i woudl assume the training area..
MFG is on the ground... somewhere with careflight being vectored in by radar over the last known position. MFG are talking but i cant pick them up.
I could be wrong it just sounded like it thats all
Any news?
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Carflight 1 and Polair 2 onsite
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from the ABC website
Bendo just beat me re rego. There is a similar Rego on a 172 at Bankstown. I guess we await the facts
Two men have escaped uninjured after a light plane made an emergency landing in a paddock at Bringelly in Sydney's west.
The Cessna 172 four-seater sent a mayday call about 5:30pm AEST and then made a forced landing near Jersey Road.
Police are on the scene and say it is not known what went wrong.
The Cessna 172 four-seater sent a mayday call about 5:30pm AEST and then made a forced landing near Jersey Road.
Police are on the scene and say it is not known what went wrong.
When an operator does the amount of hours basair does it will suffer more accidents/incidents then other operators.
I am concerned however at the number of incidents the organisation has had. Whether training OR Maintenance related, there is surely something wrong with the companies systems of maintenance/training and it about time CASA step up to the plate and take a closer look. Knowing the kind of operator DW is, he knows it is in his best interest to get things sorted, even though they may not be directly attributed to him.
I am concerned however at the number of incidents the organisation has had. Whether training OR Maintenance related, there is surely something wrong with the companies systems of maintenance/training and it about time CASA step up to the plate and take a closer look. Knowing the kind of operator DW is, he knows it is in his best interest to get things sorted, even though they may not be directly attributed to him.
I flew over the top, looked like they were ok from the air apart from being surrounded by about 40 very curious cows. Could see both people walking and they sounded ok on 124.55. 100% a C152, MFG. They reported "engine trouble" around 5:15pm then shortly after a mayday. They called from the ground saying they were both alright. Aircraft appeared to be all in 1 piece.
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Bula says: "When an operator does the amount of hours basair does it will suffer more accidents/incidents then other operators."
XXX says, there's one born every day.
Luckily it doesn't work like that in real life. If it did, Qantas would be a wreck and falling out of the sky like rain!
XXX says, there's one born every day.
Luckily it doesn't work like that in real life. If it did, Qantas would be a wreck and falling out of the sky like rain!
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Interesting.
I do feel sorry for DW at Basair. They do lotsa hours and yes you are right about the more flight you do the more things start to break down...... also you are right the Qantas statement.
Still they are old aircraft. Thigs can just stop
I do feel sorry for DW at Basair. They do lotsa hours and yes you are right about the more flight you do the more things start to break down...... also you are right the Qantas statement.
Still they are old aircraft. Thigs can just stop
Still they are old aircraft. Things can just stop!
This is simply NOT SO!
We are talking about a C152 here - not the Wright Flyer!
A properly maintained C152 should have no more chance of suffering an engine failure than a new one (if there was such a thing).
As for doing a lot of hours - aeroplanes thrive on hours - provided they are properly operated and maintained.
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We are talking about a C152 here - not the Wright Flyer!
A properly maintained C152 should have no more chance of suffering an engine failure than a new one (if there was such a thing).
As for doing a lot of hours - aeroplanes thrive on hours - provided they are properly operated and maintained.
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MFG is definitely an aerospace machine. It is quite amazing, with the seamless maintenance that those immaculate machines receive, an engine failure comes as a huge shock to this old son.
From early reports it seems that one of the wooden pistons may have cracked
From early reports it seems that one of the wooden pistons may have cracked
VH-XXX,
the chance of an incidents and accidents happening is purely a numbers game proportional to the safety programs and defences you have in place. What you will find is simply the more hours you fly the more incidents one can expect to have.
If you think Qantas is incidentless then you are very mistaken. A quick look at the ATSB web site should inform you as to the true state of operations. Its only because systems and methods are in place to help avoid such occurences happening which is why we dont have Qantas jet falling out of the sky. Thailand is a great example when the safety net failed, while the 737 GPWS warning a couple of years back are tactile ways in which one can view the basics of system safety.
CASA goes through vast strides to ensure that when there is such a large propect for loss of life that these are implemented. Unfortunatly the risks and consequences involved in high capacity RPT far outweigh that of a C152 and therefore CASA focuses on the pointy end of the stick. If it were a BASAIR aircraft that would mean what, 4 or 5 in the last 12 months that are not purely "training" accidents. When this punches you in the face the regulator must and should act to ensure the continued safety of BASAIR's staff and students.
It may not be DW's fault, hell the Tecnams are flying washing machines with crap engines and toothpicks for propellers. But maybe some persoanl culpability has to be taken to ensure safety, and this does include the selection and choice of maintenance operations. I know DW is the first to point the finger at maintenance, and rightly so but there must come a time when enough is enough. DW is a business man and knows well and truely how much bad publicity can affect a business such as his.
VH-XXX your are right though..... there is one born everyday
the chance of an incidents and accidents happening is purely a numbers game proportional to the safety programs and defences you have in place. What you will find is simply the more hours you fly the more incidents one can expect to have.
If you think Qantas is incidentless then you are very mistaken. A quick look at the ATSB web site should inform you as to the true state of operations. Its only because systems and methods are in place to help avoid such occurences happening which is why we dont have Qantas jet falling out of the sky. Thailand is a great example when the safety net failed, while the 737 GPWS warning a couple of years back are tactile ways in which one can view the basics of system safety.
CASA goes through vast strides to ensure that when there is such a large propect for loss of life that these are implemented. Unfortunatly the risks and consequences involved in high capacity RPT far outweigh that of a C152 and therefore CASA focuses on the pointy end of the stick. If it were a BASAIR aircraft that would mean what, 4 or 5 in the last 12 months that are not purely "training" accidents. When this punches you in the face the regulator must and should act to ensure the continued safety of BASAIR's staff and students.
It may not be DW's fault, hell the Tecnams are flying washing machines with crap engines and toothpicks for propellers. But maybe some persoanl culpability has to be taken to ensure safety, and this does include the selection and choice of maintenance operations. I know DW is the first to point the finger at maintenance, and rightly so but there must come a time when enough is enough. DW is a business man and knows well and truely how much bad publicity can affect a business such as his.
VH-XXX your are right though..... there is one born everyday
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you must ask yourselves though:
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the caliber of students going through basiar is the questionable one here! without sounding racist, the commonsense is not common to the majority of the student going through basair, theyare not your little tech head anglos the rest of the school have! let alone the lack of commonsense, there are huge language barriers that need to be over come over at basair!!
the other thing is:
if basair training is to blame and not maintenance etc etc: then at least they are student that have been taught PFLs better than anyone else! they may be bringing planes day, but by god they are surviving them too!!! better than the pilots in Air safety mag seem to be doing recently!
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the caliber of students going through basiar is the questionable one here! without sounding racist, the commonsense is not common to the majority of the student going through basair, theyare not your little tech head anglos the rest of the school have! let alone the lack of commonsense, there are huge language barriers that need to be over come over at basair!!
the other thing is:
if basair training is to blame and not maintenance etc etc: then at least they are student that have been taught PFLs better than anyone else! they may be bringing planes day, but by god they are surviving them too!!! better than the pilots in Air safety mag seem to be doing recently!
