Hervey Bay Accident
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Hervey Bay Accident
BREAKING NEWS
A PLANE has crashed and burst into flames at a private runway north of Brisbane.
A police spokeswoman said officers were attending the scene of the crash at Howard, west of Hervey Bay, which was reported about 5pm (AEST) today.
She said the plane had burst into flames at a private runway near Pacific Haven Circuit.
It was not yet known how many people were on board or how the crash occurred.
No other information was available
A PLANE has crashed and burst into flames at a private runway north of Brisbane.
A police spokeswoman said officers were attending the scene of the crash at Howard, west of Hervey Bay, which was reported about 5pm (AEST) today.
She said the plane had burst into flames at a private runway near Pacific Haven Circuit.
It was not yet known how many people were on board or how the crash occurred.
No other information was available
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Very sad news and a very unfortunate way to depart our world.
News Corp
April 19, 2007 05:52pm
Plane Crashes, Burns at Private Runway
A PLANE has crashed and burst into flames at a private runway north of Brisbane.
A police spokeswoman said officers were attending the scene of the crash at Howard, west of Hervey Bay, which was reported about 5pm (AEST) today.
She said the plane had burst into flames at a private runway near Pacific Haven Circuit.
It was not yet known how many people were on board or how the crash occurred.
No other information was available.
AAP Wire Service
April 19, 2007 - 6:29PM
Two Dead in Qld Ultralight Crash
A man and woman died when an ultralight plane crashed on takeoff north of the Sunshine Coast.
A Queensland Fire and Rescue Service spokeswoman said an Allegro ultralight craft crashed at a private airstrip about 5pm (AEST) at Howard, west of Hervey Bay.
She said the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff to fly to Bundaberg when it crashed.
It was believed the plane clipped some trees and cartwheeled above a road after clearing the airstrip.
It crashed on a footpath at the corner of Marina Drive and Pacific Haven Circuit, just 50 metres from a home, and burst into flames.
The spokeswoman said witnesses had told authorities the pair had died trapped in the plane as it was engulfed by flames.
Investigations will begin into the crash on Thursday night and continue Friday.
News Corp
April 19, 2007 05:52pm
Plane Crashes, Burns at Private Runway
A PLANE has crashed and burst into flames at a private runway north of Brisbane.
A police spokeswoman said officers were attending the scene of the crash at Howard, west of Hervey Bay, which was reported about 5pm (AEST) today.
She said the plane had burst into flames at a private runway near Pacific Haven Circuit.
It was not yet known how many people were on board or how the crash occurred.
No other information was available.
AAP Wire Service
April 19, 2007 - 6:29PM
Two Dead in Qld Ultralight Crash
A man and woman died when an ultralight plane crashed on takeoff north of the Sunshine Coast.
A Queensland Fire and Rescue Service spokeswoman said an Allegro ultralight craft crashed at a private airstrip about 5pm (AEST) at Howard, west of Hervey Bay.
She said the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff to fly to Bundaberg when it crashed.
It was believed the plane clipped some trees and cartwheeled above a road after clearing the airstrip.
It crashed on a footpath at the corner of Marina Drive and Pacific Haven Circuit, just 50 metres from a home, and burst into flames.
The spokeswoman said witnesses had told authorities the pair had died trapped in the plane as it was engulfed by flames.
Investigations will begin into the crash on Thursday night and continue Friday.
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My condolences to all involved....
an allegro is a carbon fibre airframe, with alloy wings that are exact copies of a C152 wing.. fuel tank is under the seats.powered by a 100hp rotax.
an allegro is a carbon fibre airframe, with alloy wings that are exact copies of a C152 wing.. fuel tank is under the seats.powered by a 100hp rotax.
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- It's actually fibreglass, not carbon fibre
- The fuel tank is under the left seat and in the wings with the long range option. 55+20+20.
- It is powered by an 80hp or 100hp engine
- Very high power to rate ratio and a great performer
- Until now, no fatalities in an Allegro
Don't know of any Allegro's in that area. I would not be surprised if it was a Jabiru.
- The fuel tank is under the left seat and in the wings with the long range option. 55+20+20.
- It is powered by an 80hp or 100hp engine
- Very high power to rate ratio and a great performer
- Until now, no fatalities in an Allegro
Don't know of any Allegro's in that area. I would not be surprised if it was a Jabiru.
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im just going off what i was told when i inquired about the one in a nearby hangar! and my point was to illustrate the type of aircraft involved eg, it not a rag and tube thing but a modern composite metal aircraft with known and proven design qualities..... maybe it was a 172 aerofoil profile?
largly irrelevent anyway, its a very sad day for loved ones left behind...
and it will be interesting to learn the cause, the allegro from what i hear are pretty reliable aircraft with no real vices i have heard of.
largly irrelevent anyway, its a very sad day for loved ones left behind...
and it will be interesting to learn the cause, the allegro from what i hear are pretty reliable aircraft with no real vices i have heard of.
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Yes, with the performance of the Allegro, particularly if it was a 100 hp model, even at MTOW off 1,100 metres of runway it should have been at around 500+ at the upwind end of the runway.
Time will tell.
Time will tell.
I've already got some facts on this. Quite sad to think that this could have easily been avoided. You might get away with something sometimes, but not every time. Please everyone fly safely with your limits and particularly those of your aircraft.
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The Media Again
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Was not aware it was a CTA of any sort there.....my charts must be wrong. Will I get a VCA for flying through there on Tuesday without a clearance?
In all seriousness, this is a sad event for the family and friends. If the rumours I have heard are correct there ought to be a serious bit of training material pumped into the RAA members. This possibly is not the result of just a slight error. Take note of SQUAWK7700's comments everyone.
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She said the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff to fly to Bundaberg when it crashed.
In all seriousness, this is a sad event for the family and friends. If the rumours I have heard are correct there ought to be a serious bit of training material pumped into the RAA members. This possibly is not the result of just a slight error. Take note of SQUAWK7700's comments everyone.
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A MAN and woman died when an ultralight plane crashed on take-off near Hervey Bay yesterday.
The couple, from Dysart in the Bowen Basin, were believed to be aged in their 50s or 60s. A Queensland Fire and Rescue Service spokeswoman said the plane crashed at a private airstrip about 5pm at Howard, 37km west of Hervey Bay.
She said the aircraft had earlier been cleared for take-off on a flight to Bundaberg.
It is believed the plane clipped some trees and crashed just 50m from a home and burst into flames.
A MAN and woman died when an ultralight plane crashed on take-off near Hervey Bay yesterday.
The couple, from Dysart in the Bowen Basin, were believed to be aged in their 50s or 60s. A Queensland Fire and Rescue Service spokeswoman said the plane crashed at a private airstrip about 5pm at Howard, 37km west of Hervey Bay.
She said the aircraft had earlier been cleared for take-off on a flight to Bundaberg.
It is believed the plane clipped some trees and crashed just 50m from a home and burst into flames.
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You might get away with something sometimes, but not every time. Please everyone fly safely with your limits and particularly those of your aircraft.
but hearing the couple were in their 50's tends to contradict those thoughts....
As a general rule of thumb, pilots need to make sure that their aircraft is configured and loaded appropriately for the intended flight. This includes fuel loading, weight distribution, passenger seating, MTOW and TODA.
True, there have been a number of fatalities already this year. The Sting at Goulburn killed 2 people which may have been the result of engine failure due to a missing radiator cap. Also over Easter a Victorian man may have suffered a heart-attack which led to his death when his aircraft crashed enroute to Narromine.
It indeed hasn't been a good year and with 7,000+ members it may sadly get worse, however I certainly hope it doesn't.
True, there have been a number of fatalities already this year. The Sting at Goulburn killed 2 people which may have been the result of engine failure due to a missing radiator cap. Also over Easter a Victorian man may have suffered a heart-attack which led to his death when his aircraft crashed enroute to Narromine.
It indeed hasn't been a good year and with 7,000+ members it may sadly get worse, however I certainly hope it doesn't.
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There seems to be a lot of reported and unreported accidents and incidents involving ultra lights and RAA aircraft lately. Did anyone hear of the RAA lightie floatie that was forced to land on the beach north of Port Macquarie damaging the floats, enroute to Avalon due to fuel exhaustion, or the damage to the nose wheel of the Storch that had a heavy landing at Avalon???? or the RAA lightie that landed over the top of a glider at Toowoomba??? Self regulation does not always work......sometimes we do need a watchdog!
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Maybe its just me, but I don't think there isd much in any syllabus about overloading (not that I know if this is a factor in this accident).
I seem to recall somewhere that at MTOW a GA aircraft has to demonstrate a 3% climb gradient after takeoff and not much else.
Now of course overloading a car, truck or a boat, it is possible usually to "get away with it" because the consequences are not severe and you are standing on the ground.
But overload an aircraft and the thing will get off the ground and perhaps stay in ground effect, but will not climb, at least until sufficient acceleration has been achieved. So unless you are on a 3000m runway you are screwed.
3 percent grade - tan and sin are both about .05 so that means as little five percent overload is going to mess things up. Thats about 50 kilos or so on a Cessna 172.
If this happens, you don't get 5 percent less climb rate, you get zero climb rate.
OK, correct my understanding please.
I seem to recall somewhere that at MTOW a GA aircraft has to demonstrate a 3% climb gradient after takeoff and not much else.
Now of course overloading a car, truck or a boat, it is possible usually to "get away with it" because the consequences are not severe and you are standing on the ground.
But overload an aircraft and the thing will get off the ground and perhaps stay in ground effect, but will not climb, at least until sufficient acceleration has been achieved. So unless you are on a 3000m runway you are screwed.
3 percent grade - tan and sin are both about .05 so that means as little five percent overload is going to mess things up. Thats about 50 kilos or so on a Cessna 172.
If this happens, you don't get 5 percent less climb rate, you get zero climb rate.
OK, correct my understanding please.
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PA39, rest assured that the incidents are normally reported to RA-Aus or ATSB or CASA as appropriate and then the RA-Aus publishes them in their weekly magazine which is distributed monthly to members or is available on the news stand. If you see something wrong - log it with CASA. RA-Aus members are not exempt and will be dealt with appropriately.
Remember that 'Ultralights' are still goverened by CASA as the 'watchdog' and as such can't get away with any more than you guys can in GA.
One of the only remaining differences between GA and Ultralight is that in an ultralight you can fly over a property and do whatever you want (up to 60 degrees AOB) as long as you have permission of the land owner, unlike GA where you are only supposed to take-off or land under 500ft. This opens the door for RA-Aus mustering and property operations by the property owner.
Remember that 'Ultralights' are still goverened by CASA as the 'watchdog' and as such can't get away with any more than you guys can in GA.
One of the only remaining differences between GA and Ultralight is that in an ultralight you can fly over a property and do whatever you want (up to 60 degrees AOB) as long as you have permission of the land owner, unlike GA where you are only supposed to take-off or land under 500ft. This opens the door for RA-Aus mustering and property operations by the property owner.
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A Queensland Fire and Rescue Service spokeswoman said an Allegro ultralight craft crashed at a private airstrip about 5pm (AEST) at Howard, west of Hervey Bay.
She said the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff to fly to Bundaberg when it crashed.
She said the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff to fly to Bundaberg when it crashed.
No different to the Wally on the news after the Clyde accident "The planes come here from Tooradin".
They tend to take the word of the supposed expert.
As for self regulation The Gliding Federation has been self regulated for many years, yes some accidents but a well run organisation. From the outside the RAA appears to be the same.
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I think you might find that in GA you can fly at low level around a private property, with owners permission - but with several conditions, one of which is completion of the LL course as per CAO 29.10
As I understand it, RAAus aircraft are still subject to all the conditions of CAR 157, and in the future, there may be required LL courses of training for RAAus pilots wanting to muster or survey.
As to the accident rate - well, yes, there have been several recent accidents - but the raw numbers don't tell the full story. As the numbers of RAAus pilots increase, and the hours flown increase, and the aircraft become faster and more complex - you might expect more accidents. But, whether the rate/100,000 hours has increased is another thing. It will be the stats that tell the story.
I think you might find that in GA you can fly at low level around a private property, with owners permission - but with several conditions, one of which is completion of the LL course as per CAO 29.10
As I understand it, RAAus aircraft are still subject to all the conditions of CAR 157, and in the future, there may be required LL courses of training for RAAus pilots wanting to muster or survey.
As to the accident rate - well, yes, there have been several recent accidents - but the raw numbers don't tell the full story. As the numbers of RAAus pilots increase, and the hours flown increase, and the aircraft become faster and more complex - you might expect more accidents. But, whether the rate/100,000 hours has increased is another thing. It will be the stats that tell the story.
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Is it a fact that RAA operators can do their own maintenance? I fly my own aircraft privately now, and often into a few CTAF's where RAA operators instruct. I have observed a very poor standard of training and airmanship and a generally lax attitude to the aircrafts systems and pre flight inspections. I have a few high hour GA instructors/operator associates make the same comments on the same topic. They compare the standards of RAA to GA.........I only speak in the interest of safety. I often stand back at a distance and watch what goes on at some places.......its enough to make my hair curl (if i had any). Are any of these guys we see doing split asre turns and pull ups in their ultralights really aware of wing loading, increase in the associated stalling speeds etc? Do the aircraft limitations include such manouvres? The guys i have spoken to who fly these types haven't a clue as to what i am talking about?
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Most aircraft in the RAAus fleet are maintained by a L2 engineer, the RAAus equivalent of a LAME, every RAAus aircraft used for training or business purposes MUST be maintained by a L2!!!
when it comes to Systems training and preflights, RAA aircraft are generally a lot more modern than most GA aircraft and a lot simpler, and do not require as much preflight and inspection work.
when it comes to airmanship..... hmmm thats a rather sticky area! i have had aircraft backtrack in front of me as im on short final, and they have told me to go around so they can backtrack!
(instead of roll through to the next taxiway) from a GA operator!!!! (just because my aircraft wasnt built by beachcraft, cessna or piper, doesnt mean my aircraft doesnt exist and the rules dont apply to me!! and therefor you can do what you please and ignore the ultralight pilot!) i have had come head to head with a C172 at hoxton on finals as i was lined up to take off, he was landing with a 15 knt tail wind!!!! (there was also 3 other aircraft in the circuit going the correct way to this fruitcake!) and no radio calls at all..... so there are just as bad flyers on both sides of the fence with that on.... though sadly the GA ones dont seam to speak much English or simply refuse to use radios...
as for the crash that occurred, until we know the facts, theres no point in attacking or criticizing any class of aircraft! the cause might have been something beyond the pilots control, a birdstrike perhaps?
when it comes to Systems training and preflights, RAA aircraft are generally a lot more modern than most GA aircraft and a lot simpler, and do not require as much preflight and inspection work.
when it comes to airmanship..... hmmm thats a rather sticky area! i have had aircraft backtrack in front of me as im on short final, and they have told me to go around so they can backtrack!
(instead of roll through to the next taxiway) from a GA operator!!!! (just because my aircraft wasnt built by beachcraft, cessna or piper, doesnt mean my aircraft doesnt exist and the rules dont apply to me!! and therefor you can do what you please and ignore the ultralight pilot!) i have had come head to head with a C172 at hoxton on finals as i was lined up to take off, he was landing with a 15 knt tail wind!!!! (there was also 3 other aircraft in the circuit going the correct way to this fruitcake!) and no radio calls at all..... so there are just as bad flyers on both sides of the fence with that on.... though sadly the GA ones dont seam to speak much English or simply refuse to use radios...as for the crash that occurred, until we know the facts, theres no point in attacking or criticizing any class of aircraft! the cause might have been something beyond the pilots control, a birdstrike perhaps?
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Poteroo, you state: "I think you might find that in GA you can fly at low level around a private property, with owners permission - but with several conditions, one of which is completion of the LL course as per CAO 29.10"
You are correct, however in Ultralight a low level endorsement is not required; in fact it doesn't exist, so no conditions as such. It's one of the only differences between RA and GA.
PA39, if you see something you determine to be "illegal" the report it and it will be dealt with. I don't think your average pull-up is going to stress your airframe significantly. Aerobatics of any kind aren't permitted in RA-Aus, so again if you see anything that shouldn't be done, report it (02 6280 4700, Lee Ungerman - Operations Manager. Your efforts will help clean up the sport for everyone to enjoy and for you to enjoy when costs get too high or you aren't able to get your medical any more...
The word on the street with the Allegro is engine failure and or potential C of G issues. It was apparently kit built with a high-time used engine.
Any RA-Aus can be maintained by the owner with no qualification or experience, however hire-reward aircraft are maintained by Level 2's who are usually a mechanic of sort given the qualification from RA-Aus with a reference from another few L2's or LAME's. It's a moderately controlled system that works fairly well.
You are correct, however in Ultralight a low level endorsement is not required; in fact it doesn't exist, so no conditions as such. It's one of the only differences between RA and GA.
PA39, if you see something you determine to be "illegal" the report it and it will be dealt with. I don't think your average pull-up is going to stress your airframe significantly. Aerobatics of any kind aren't permitted in RA-Aus, so again if you see anything that shouldn't be done, report it (02 6280 4700, Lee Ungerman - Operations Manager. Your efforts will help clean up the sport for everyone to enjoy and for you to enjoy when costs get too high or you aren't able to get your medical any more...
The word on the street with the Allegro is engine failure and or potential C of G issues. It was apparently kit built with a high-time used engine.
Any RA-Aus can be maintained by the owner with no qualification or experience, however hire-reward aircraft are maintained by Level 2's who are usually a mechanic of sort given the qualification from RA-Aus with a reference from another few L2's or LAME's. It's a moderately controlled system that works fairly well.