Huge circuits
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I would presume that aircraft with MORE performance (E120 etc) that are now having to fly a 1500' cct would probably be wider again!!!
IMHO a turboprop should never be level in the circuit anyway, it should be in a constant rate of descent all the way from TOD, preferably to a straight in approach (where possible)! Unless of course you are actually doing circuits!
I see know reason for anybody doing large circuits! In a C-150/2 doing standard circuits it takes around 6 mins for the circuit, if that ain't enough time for an instructor to patter a student, then may I suggest that perhaps the instructor should do some more training themselves!
But I can't see the wing tip unless I go back into the cabin, to about row 23.
Best advice I ever got was to make the circuit 'LOOK' the same from the left seat every time, no matter what size aircraft you are flying, the circuit size will then take care of itself!
Absolutely, you can just tell when it "looks right".........or wrong for that matter
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All very well to "look". However if your instructor sais "look, see this is the correct spacing" and infact its not, the student wont know any better, unless he/she starts getting the throttle pulled on 'em 
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At least you guys get to fly a circuit.
If only....... but no, all we get to do is vectors to straight-in, 10nm final, descend on the glide-path, stabilised by 1500ft.
Seriously thinking of packing it in and going back to GA which sounds a lot more fun than poling a jet around.
Does anyone know of any jobs on pistons that pay AUD$180K, plus?? Prefer not in an oppressively hot climate.
If only....... but no, all we get to do is vectors to straight-in, 10nm final, descend on the glide-path, stabilised by 1500ft.
Seriously thinking of packing it in and going back to GA which sounds a lot more fun than poling a jet around.
Does anyone know of any jobs on pistons that pay AUD$180K, plus?? Prefer not in an oppressively hot climate.
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Everyone's a hotshot topgun!
Who cares if someone flies a bigger circuit? What does it really amount to? an extra minute or two. If someone is comfortable flying bigger circuits then accomodate them and dont shorten your own life by stressing over them.
I can hear some of you blokes already.
"Taking over! this machine can do 320 knots to 15 miles you know!"
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Who cares if someone flies a bigger circuit? What does it really amount to? an extra minute or two. If someone is comfortable flying bigger circuits then accomodate them and dont shorten your own life by stressing over them.
I can hear some of you blokes already.
"Taking over! this machine can do 320 knots to 15 miles you know!"
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Nunc est bibendum
When I started flying circuits took six(ish) minutes. About 9 an hour. I timed one recently in the 744. It came out at about six(ish) minutes. The circuit size may be a bit bigger but then so are the speeds so it all works out nicely.
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Who cares if someone flies a bigger circuit? What does it really amount to? an extra minute or two
Everyone's a hotshot topgun!
Who cares if someone flies a bigger circuit? What does it really amount to? an extra minute or two. If someone is comfortable flying bigger circuits then accomodate them and dont shorten your own life by stressing over them.
I can hear some of you blokes already.
"Taking over! this machine can do 320 knots to 15 miles you know!"
Who cares if someone flies a bigger circuit? What does it really amount to? an extra minute or two. If someone is comfortable flying bigger circuits then accomodate them and dont shorten your own life by stressing over them.
I can hear some of you blokes already.
"Taking over! this machine can do 320 knots to 15 miles you know!"
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Ahhh, you blokes... Just be glad you can fly a circuit of variable dimensions and even go around if you feel the need... Some of us don't have that luxury 
Sorry - really useful post I know....
Sorry - really useful post I know....
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ridiculous, i care. You might be enjoying logging cross country time on downwind, but i'm behind you trying to train a student properly and the last thing I need is to be doing 5 go arounds per hour because you're turning base at TWRN
You are far better off doing 5 well spaced, relaxed circuits where your student feels in control rather than having his pumped up instructor cursing others while trying to cram in more angst filled training.
What the hell is TWRN? Are you one of those GAAP dwelling knowalls that blabbers on the radio in local knowledge jargon so that nobody other than the most "local" pilot can understand?
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Best advice I ever got was to make the circuit 'LOOK' the same from the left seat every time, no matter what size aircraft you are flying, the circuit size will then take care of itself!
I apologize if the inbound point for the busiest GAAP in Australia is 'too local' for you. My bad.
Yes, of course there is a balance, a too tight a circuit is just as bad as one that is flown via (insert gaap dwelling knowall blabber point here). There is such a thing however as a wide circuit and as someone else in the thread pointed out, 0.5nm spacing in a training aircraft is more than sufficient.
If your student isn't coping until they're miles outside of glide range then the problem isn't the student. There are people behind you, some consideration would be appreciated.
Yes, of course there is a balance, a too tight a circuit is just as bad as one that is flown via (insert gaap dwelling knowall blabber point here). There is such a thing however as a wide circuit and as someone else in the thread pointed out, 0.5nm spacing in a training aircraft is more than sufficient.
If your student isn't coping until they're miles outside of glide range then the problem isn't the student. There are people behind you, some consideration would be appreciated.
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In a recent thread there was the mention of a C207's glide range after engine failure. Pretty much below where you are is where you'll be landing. Apply this philosophy in the circuit!
So while i dont condone some practices of a particular knx operator employed from time to time (maybe a reflection of flight crew attitude or a particular CP rather than the company, but thats another story) I'll stand by the culture encouraged by the CP when I was there (no, not PW) that a a close circuit was always a good idea where possible, since if the donk fails in the circuit, you'd wanna be making the runway in any case!
You could still do a neatly tight circuit with ROD < 500'/min & AOB < 30 degrees, and it was certainly more efficient and expeditious when there's lots of aircraft sharing the circuit & runway than the downwind leg halfway to Oombi employed by some.
...disco
So while i dont condone some practices of a particular knx operator employed from time to time (maybe a reflection of flight crew attitude or a particular CP rather than the company, but thats another story) I'll stand by the culture encouraged by the CP when I was there (no, not PW) that a a close circuit was always a good idea where possible, since if the donk fails in the circuit, you'd wanna be making the runway in any case!
You could still do a neatly tight circuit with ROD < 500'/min & AOB < 30 degrees, and it was certainly more efficient and expeditious when there's lots of aircraft sharing the circuit & runway than the downwind leg halfway to Oombi employed by some.
...disco
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No problemo Das
Good luck to you and your students. Looks as though the industry is going to need plenty of new pilots for the next couple of years.
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Good luck to you and your students. Looks as though the industry is going to need plenty of new pilots for the next couple of years.
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TWRN? I don't know of any reporting point by that designator around Jandakot!!!