Barwon Heads Airport to be sold.
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Barwon Heads Airport to be sold.
It looks like there might be a new Skydiving center in Victoria in a out of court settelment looks like Hawk and co might be defecting to save them a siht load of cash 
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To Insider how wrong you have got it, I believe Hawk and co are determinded to see this matter go to court.
My insiders tell me that one skydive operator could very well loose his property plus more when he has to settle for his actions. Remember he has already pleaded guilty in court to not operating to the rules and regulations set by CASA and still continues today to operate without the necessary permits for a legal drop zone.
He cannot get a CI and is operating under Nagambie. Nagambie are not doing themselves any favours being involved. Appears their pilots are also ignoring the fact that the BH operator does not have a legal drop zone.
Remember this operator can blame nobody but himself and his former CI for the demise in his business. The airport owner has not interfered in any way with his operation. It was his former CI that caused his licence to be suspended for 12 months for dropping through cloud and he has set up nearby at Torquay and has been seen doing the same thing for which he reported the BH operation to the APF.
As far as an out of court settlement you are way off line, those involved I believe have given the skydive operator the opportunity to get out of court action for a reasonable settlement and if it is not accepted will see the matter through the courts.
The local rag has informed the case is listed for March 31 to 26 April 2008 a lot of days with legal costs plus those for the next 12 months. Any sensible person would settle now and save themselves a further 6 -700K because those he is suing are only five of about 40 persons who submitted reports to CASA and the APF on breaches of safety and dangerous practices. A lot of witnesses.
It is interesting with all those reports he is suing the owner of the airfield and four hangar owners. Is this a case of trying to take over the airport? Why hasn't he also taken action against the other 35 persons who I understand put in over 600 reports of breaches of regulations and unsafe operations over 5 years.
Me thinks he is out of his depth this time with his legal action as he has met a group who will not back down to his bullying tactics because they are clearly in the right.
So Insider, go find another place to jump.
My insiders tell me that one skydive operator could very well loose his property plus more when he has to settle for his actions. Remember he has already pleaded guilty in court to not operating to the rules and regulations set by CASA and still continues today to operate without the necessary permits for a legal drop zone.
He cannot get a CI and is operating under Nagambie. Nagambie are not doing themselves any favours being involved. Appears their pilots are also ignoring the fact that the BH operator does not have a legal drop zone.
Remember this operator can blame nobody but himself and his former CI for the demise in his business. The airport owner has not interfered in any way with his operation. It was his former CI that caused his licence to be suspended for 12 months for dropping through cloud and he has set up nearby at Torquay and has been seen doing the same thing for which he reported the BH operation to the APF.
As far as an out of court settlement you are way off line, those involved I believe have given the skydive operator the opportunity to get out of court action for a reasonable settlement and if it is not accepted will see the matter through the courts.
The local rag has informed the case is listed for March 31 to 26 April 2008 a lot of days with legal costs plus those for the next 12 months. Any sensible person would settle now and save themselves a further 6 -700K because those he is suing are only five of about 40 persons who submitted reports to CASA and the APF on breaches of safety and dangerous practices. A lot of witnesses.
It is interesting with all those reports he is suing the owner of the airfield and four hangar owners. Is this a case of trying to take over the airport? Why hasn't he also taken action against the other 35 persons who I understand put in over 600 reports of breaches of regulations and unsafe operations over 5 years.
Me thinks he is out of his depth this time with his legal action as he has met a group who will not back down to his bullying tactics because they are clearly in the right.
So Insider, go find another place to jump.
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Looks like there might be some cheap hangars down on the coast when all goes ahead we do need a DZ close to Melbourne Barwon Heads Airport is perfect for it and its only 20 min from Geelong 1hr from Melbourne its going to be HUGE cant wait. 
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What's your point?
There are plenty of other legal drop zones closer to Melbourne than that. It's almost 1 hour to Avalon from Melourne on an average traffic day, it must be a lot further to Barwon Heads.
There are plenty of other legal drop zones closer to Melbourne than that. It's almost 1 hour to Avalon from Melourne on an average traffic day, it must be a lot further to Barwon Heads.
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Appears their pilots are also ignoring the fact that the BH operator does not have a legal drop zone.
35 persons who I understand put in over 600 reports of breaches of regulations and unsafe operations over 5 years.
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John Walters, looks like you have a bitter pill to swallow! The laws of pprune and what you put on a incident report to CASA differ greatly to the laws of the federal court.
Try not to gag on the laws of perjury!!
Go Cool Hand!
Try not to gag on the laws of perjury!!
Go Cool Hand!
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To sabre150 they tell me a council permit is needed to set a drop zone on private property and the BHA operator does not have one despite being told he needs one a couple of years ago. Just ignors all authority. Wouldn't it be safer for all to have a drop zone approved and have it included on maps.
Whats the reference to the old man.
To accc what pills are you on. I take daily vitamins so I keep healthy enough to keep up with what is happening in the region and the local press reports drew me to the situation at BHA. I speak to a person regularly who knows what is happening at BHA with all the crap and it appears now the matter will come to a head in 2008 in the fed court which should then make it safer for all who enjoy the skies. By the way I have nothing to do with perjury.
Whats the reference to the old man.
To accc what pills are you on. I take daily vitamins so I keep healthy enough to keep up with what is happening in the region and the local press reports drew me to the situation at BHA. I speak to a person regularly who knows what is happening at BHA with all the crap and it appears now the matter will come to a head in 2008 in the fed court which should then make it safer for all who enjoy the skies. By the way I have nothing to do with perjury.
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Insider is Insightless
Insider, have you no insight? I wonder why I am bothering to respond to your inane ramblings. John Walters has cited the facts very clearly.
It will be a cold day in hell when Barwon Heads becomes a drop zone again. CASA has made it clear that the operation of skydiving is inapropriate at Barwon Heads.
Let's not forget that the operator in question has a long history of safety abuse and arrogance toward other airspace users and the authorities. The culture of foolishness that surrounds this operation has directly led to its demise.
The airspace users at Barwon Heads remain willing to accomodate skydiving on a designated and remote drop zone. The operator is free to operate from Barwon Heads now as long as the drop zone is establised remotely. Assistance has been offered (sincerely) to help establish an appropriate drop zone off the airfield environs but the operator is not interested.
Instead he pursues a futile legal case that is destined to fail. The only beneficiaries of this will be the legal council concerned. In the end the sensible thing to do would to drop the case and seek to establish an agreed cooperative approach to the problem. Perhaps the concept of KARMA should be considered. At the very least, clearly the venom that lies at the heart of this matter has poisoned the judgement of the protagonist.
Barwon Heads airport users as a group remain reasonable and honest people who are willing to accomodate others in a tolerant manner. The exception being to arrogant and foolish individuals who place lives at risk with a disregard to rules while seeking to empire build.
It will be a cold day in hell when Barwon Heads becomes a drop zone again. CASA has made it clear that the operation of skydiving is inapropriate at Barwon Heads.
Let's not forget that the operator in question has a long history of safety abuse and arrogance toward other airspace users and the authorities. The culture of foolishness that surrounds this operation has directly led to its demise.
The airspace users at Barwon Heads remain willing to accomodate skydiving on a designated and remote drop zone. The operator is free to operate from Barwon Heads now as long as the drop zone is establised remotely. Assistance has been offered (sincerely) to help establish an appropriate drop zone off the airfield environs but the operator is not interested.
Instead he pursues a futile legal case that is destined to fail. The only beneficiaries of this will be the legal council concerned. In the end the sensible thing to do would to drop the case and seek to establish an agreed cooperative approach to the problem. Perhaps the concept of KARMA should be considered. At the very least, clearly the venom that lies at the heart of this matter has poisoned the judgement of the protagonist.
Barwon Heads airport users as a group remain reasonable and honest people who are willing to accomodate others in a tolerant manner. The exception being to arrogant and foolish individuals who place lives at risk with a disregard to rules while seeking to empire build.
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Me tinks you better get a good altimeter fitted to your tigers as a person has noted that 500 ft. around Queenscliffe is actually a bit low with the sound of flapping banners being heard.
Me tinks you better get a good altimeter fitted to your tigers as a person has noted that 500 ft. around Queenscliffe is actually a bit low with the sound of flapping banners being heard.
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Have you been on funny mushrooms or having an ICE block or some such thing, (too much water) cause if I was the dork hanging out for a court case that will be a smack in my face in a few months I would be trying hard to find something new to do. (Charges are for breaking rules all designed by CASA in case you are silly enough to believe HIM)
But you are a good mate to him I suppose so will lend a Million or two hey?
Yeah and do not tell me you are allowed to jump through cloud, that is at other jump zones that have been authorised but not here!!!!
Have you been on funny mushrooms or having an ICE block or some such thing, (too much water) cause if I was the dork hanging out for a court case that will be a smack in my face in a few months I would be trying hard to find something new to do. (Charges are for breaking rules all designed by CASA in case you are silly enough to believe HIM)
But you are a good mate to him I suppose so will lend a Million or two hey?
Yeah and do not tell me you are allowed to jump through cloud, that is at other jump zones that have been authorised but not here!!!!
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inthefluffystuff --your suggestion that a parachute operator should go and find something new to do has obviously been taken seriously. my contact informs me that no parachuting from BH for the last two weeks to the remote drop zone on the peninsular as there are no council permits to do so and the land owner has been told so.
It appears that he will still be dropping but into others in the surf. He was seen at the beach with family with surf board. As with a few other endeavours he needs help, definately out of his zone once again.
It appears that he will still be dropping but into others in the surf. He was seen at the beach with family with surf board. As with a few other endeavours he needs help, definately out of his zone once again.
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Well I.O.U. an apology you are right the Airfield is being sold to someone you may know Mr. Hawke, I have it on very good authority this rumor that he is in a position to purchase and re-run a well set up dive school.
Funny how people get the hint of something happening even if the person buying may have been wrong, but hey it will be very profitable when run correctly by this chap my source tells me money will be spent to see it is in good hands. Maybe now the traffic will be OK and a few of the guy's who would not fly this way will be back.
Mr. XXX you can go and have a joyride in a trike and check it out for radios while you are at it, (xxx does that stand for kiss kiss kiss? hell I hope not ) if it does do not come down as they are a bit straight I believe but you never know OOO may be just a short trip away (cuddle cuddle cuddle) mmm I am a bit sarcastic like you now will have to find a meditation forum for myself to rid me of this evil. Tah Tah for now and any jib you write will be too late you lost.
Well I.O.U. an apology you are right the Airfield is being sold to someone you may know Mr. Hawke, I have it on very good authority this rumor that he is in a position to purchase and re-run a well set up dive school.
Funny how people get the hint of something happening even if the person buying may have been wrong, but hey it will be very profitable when run correctly by this chap my source tells me money will be spent to see it is in good hands. Maybe now the traffic will be OK and a few of the guy's who would not fly this way will be back.
Mr. XXX you can go and have a joyride in a trike and check it out for radios while you are at it, (xxx does that stand for kiss kiss kiss? hell I hope not ) if it does do not come down as they are a bit straight I believe but you never know OOO may be just a short trip away (cuddle cuddle cuddle) mmm I am a bit sarcastic like you now will have to find a meditation forum for myself to rid me of this evil. Tah Tah for now and any jib you write will be too late you lost.
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Fluffy....
"Mr Hawke... is in a position to purchase and re-run a well set up dive school"
Dream On!! Hawke is not even out of Nappies yet and is well off from wearing pull ups
!. so Barwon Heads is now safe for a drop zone?
pleassssse get a grip, or should I say, leave Mrs Palmer and her five daughters alone!
My Altimeters work fine thankyou, maybe you should have another look at the ultra lights, particularly the trikes flying up and down the coast, looking from above it appears that regularly there shadows on the water and silhouettes almost touch each other, well below cliff height let alone 500ft.
I doubt if lucky needs to borrow a million, i heard he got a pretty penny for his Pinky recently and not to mention the family dynasty.
John Walters......
I am not a medical practitioner but i would advise to check your pills with your pharmacist as they don’t seem to be having there desired affect ! Maybe you should get out a little bit more and not believe everything you read in the Geelong Addy.
I hear two of Hawke’s co-conspirers recently jumped ship, leaving Hawke high and dry, tell me how can lucky be operating without a CI and since when do you need a council permit to land a parachute? Sounds a bit fishy to me
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If you are right about the 6-700K it looks like Hawke could be left a little short if he wants to buy the airport. A lot of witnesses also means a lot of people to potentially stuff up your case! 600 reports which equated to a possible 20 breaches of parachutes punching cloud, in regards to the other 580 reports... Please Explain.....Didn't CASA do there job ?
Really, it looks like that someone is out to get Lucky or it is to get Lucky's land or then again or is it to get Luck's and Beggs land?
Pall.....
"It will be a cold day in hell when Barwon Heads becomes a drop zone again, CASA has made it quite clear that the operations of skydiving is inappropriate at Barwon Heads".
It appears not according to Fluffy! funny how the perception of safety changes depending on which side of the fence your sitting on at Barwon Heads.
"assistance has been offered (sincerely) to help establish an appropriate drop zone environs but the operator is not interested"
Is this not a contradiction of terms, is he safe or unsafe? My insiders inform me that aero club members have harassed Lucky and his crew and run them off at every alternative location he has attempted to 'establish' and so very 'sincerely' tried to run him over .
Look, we all know this has nothing to do with skydiving but instead has everything to do with external interest with individuals trying to get control of the land at Barwon Heads ALA. May i wish KARMA on all those portraying safety whilst in reality seeking to empire build (hanger build).
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"Mr Hawke... is in a position to purchase and re-run a well set up dive school"
Dream On!! Hawke is not even out of Nappies yet and is well off from wearing pull ups
!. so Barwon Heads is now safe for a drop zone?pleassssse get a grip, or should I say, leave Mrs Palmer and her five daughters alone!
My Altimeters work fine thankyou, maybe you should have another look at the ultra lights, particularly the trikes flying up and down the coast, looking from above it appears that regularly there shadows on the water and silhouettes almost touch each other, well below cliff height let alone 500ft.
I doubt if lucky needs to borrow a million, i heard he got a pretty penny for his Pinky recently and not to mention the family dynasty.
John Walters......
I am not a medical practitioner but i would advise to check your pills with your pharmacist as they don’t seem to be having there desired affect
! Maybe you should get out a little bit more and not believe everything you read in the Geelong Addy.I hear two of Hawke’s co-conspirers recently jumped ship, leaving Hawke high and dry, tell me how can lucky be operating without a CI and since when do you need a council permit to land a parachute? Sounds a bit fishy to me
. If you are right about the 6-700K it looks like Hawke could be left a little short if he wants to buy the airport. A lot of witnesses also means a lot of people to potentially stuff up your case! 600 reports which equated to a possible 20 breaches of parachutes punching cloud, in regards to the other 580 reports... Please Explain.....Didn't CASA do there job
?Really, it looks like that someone is out to get Lucky or it is to get Lucky's land or then again or is it to get Luck's and Beggs land?
Pall.....
"It will be a cold day in hell when Barwon Heads becomes a drop zone again, CASA has made it quite clear that the operations of skydiving is inappropriate at Barwon Heads".
It appears not according to Fluffy! funny how the perception of safety changes depending on which side of the fence your sitting on at Barwon Heads.
"assistance has been offered (sincerely) to help establish an appropriate drop zone environs but the operator is not interested"
Is this not a contradiction of terms, is he safe or unsafe? My insiders inform me that aero club members have harassed Lucky and his crew and run them off at every alternative location he has attempted to 'establish' and so very 'sincerely' tried to run him over
.Look, we all know this has nothing to do with skydiving but instead has everything to do with external interest with individuals trying to get control of the land at Barwon Heads ALA. May i wish KARMA on all those portraying safety whilst in reality seeking to empire build (hanger build).
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It appears that there are more twists and turns then there are in a bucket of worms!
Can anyone validate the following story? in the Geelong Echo
Page 2 – Echo, Thursday, April 19, 2007-04-20
Airport cleared for take-off
Geelong Aero Club will take over Barwon Heads Airport and boost business after the closure of Geelong Airport.
The takeover will go ahead, despite an application to the Victorias Civil and Administrative tribunal to overturn a planning permit given to Bryan Hawke, a member of the club, to build a hangar at the Barwon Heads Rd site. Owner Barbara Begg said the expansion would allow the airport to house more aeroplanes.
Luke McWilliam, the director of Skydive City who has been involved in a long running legal battle with Barwon Heads airport and the aero club, was an objector.
A City of Greater Geelong planning officer originally recommended the permit to be refused after seeing the plan for the property. VCAT heard the 18.39ha site was in a rural zone but had ‘existing use rights’ to operate as an airport. As long at it continued to have the same use, a permit was only needed for buildings and works on the site, not for an increase in air traffic.
The council had no power to regulate it’s growth, which the tribunal heard was likely to flourish after the Geelong Airport was sold to developers last year.
Tribunal senior member Richard Horsfall said it was outside his jurisdiction to rule on anything but the one hangar in question. Mr McWilliams case against the Civil Aviation and Safety Authority will be heard in the Federal Court this Friday.
Can anyone validate the following story? in the Geelong Echo
Page 2 – Echo, Thursday, April 19, 2007-04-20
Airport cleared for take-off
Geelong Aero Club will take over Barwon Heads Airport and boost business after the closure of Geelong Airport.
The takeover will go ahead, despite an application to the Victorias Civil and Administrative tribunal to overturn a planning permit given to Bryan Hawke, a member of the club, to build a hangar at the Barwon Heads Rd site. Owner Barbara Begg said the expansion would allow the airport to house more aeroplanes.
Luke McWilliam, the director of Skydive City who has been involved in a long running legal battle with Barwon Heads airport and the aero club, was an objector.
A City of Greater Geelong planning officer originally recommended the permit to be refused after seeing the plan for the property. VCAT heard the 18.39ha site was in a rural zone but had ‘existing use rights’ to operate as an airport. As long at it continued to have the same use, a permit was only needed for buildings and works on the site, not for an increase in air traffic.
The council had no power to regulate it’s growth, which the tribunal heard was likely to flourish after the Geelong Airport was sold to developers last year.
Tribunal senior member Richard Horsfall said it was outside his jurisdiction to rule on anything but the one hangar in question. Mr McWilliams case against the Civil Aviation and Safety Authority will be heard in the Federal Court this Friday.
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ACCC half hearted facts again ,does this man not know how to tell a real fact it is "THROUGH" a done deal all OK no more probs. it will get through to you one day, any casa guy's had a shovelling lately????????
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Interesting to check out the www.skydivecity.com.au and all the services they offer, but do they. If your lucky enough you might also check out www.skydivecity.com.au/disclaimer not mentioned anywhere on the skydive site.
You will find that after reading the disclaimer----
"Vouchers are sold by Skydive City Pty Ltd as agent for businesses that provide "skydiving" and recreational services to customers. Skydive City is not a provider of services and has no responsibility for any services provided or not provided by any other party." "Skydive City Pty Ltd acts as an agent only."
This indicates that Skydive City is no more than a booking agency accepting no responsibility whatsoever for providing any skydive services as advertised on the skydive website.
Is this a situation of misleading advertising on the Skydiev City site?
The APF also advertise skydive at BH. APF should look at this one.
This would indicate BH is safe for the future with no more skydiving at BH.
You will find that after reading the disclaimer----
"Vouchers are sold by Skydive City Pty Ltd as agent for businesses that provide "skydiving" and recreational services to customers. Skydive City is not a provider of services and has no responsibility for any services provided or not provided by any other party." "Skydive City Pty Ltd acts as an agent only."
This indicates that Skydive City is no more than a booking agency accepting no responsibility whatsoever for providing any skydive services as advertised on the skydive website.
Is this a situation of misleading advertising on the Skydiev City site?
The APF also advertise skydive at BH. APF should look at this one.
This would indicate BH is safe for the future with no more skydiving at BH.