TV of Hornet behind Hercules - Wake Turbulence?
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I think aspect ratio and weight have a greater effect on the magnitude of the vortices.
As for
I presume you're referring to the horizontal stabiliser? But if the aircraft is in balance, wouldn't the elevator deflection be minimal? Since it is not a lifting surface, I'd guess the tendency to towards vortex-creatin due to lift would be almost nil.
What are you really asking? You're confusing me with your grammar. Are you a pilot?
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Or do you mean that the vortices' from the tail could have the same effect
What are you really asking? You're confusing me with your grammar. Are you a pilot?
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Are you a pilot?
I actually meant the stabilisers but, seeing you are saying that its all to do with the lifting surfaces (if I'm reading you right?) then I think I have my answer.
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I'm glad. Any more questions and my ignorance and BS may have been exposed, if it wasn't already.
I still maintain these elitist knucks should spend less time burning kero carelessly for no reason other than the pure, unabounded joy of it and more time contributing somehow to our society.
We can only hope he has some really ****ty secondary duties...
I still maintain these elitist knucks should spend less time burning kero carelessly for no reason other than the pure, unabounded joy of it and more time contributing somehow to our society.
We can only hope he has some really ****ty secondary duties...
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I presume you're referring to the horizontal stabiliser? But if the aircraft is in balance, wouldn't the elevator deflection be minimal? Since it is not a lifting surface
Nah, never mind, I'll go proon the hedge.
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Buster - good question. And I'm sure you know the purpose of the horizontal stab, so thought the flaming was a bit unnecessary!
Short answer is yes - there's a whole lot of "mess" coming off the vertical and horizontal stabs. The way to stay out of it is to stay below the plane (geometry term, used deliberately
) of the tail-plane!
As with the wingtip vortices, the wake turb behind the fuselage / stab sinks at a relatively low rate, so you can get in behind without a problem. That's why line-astern formations always have a vertical difference between the lead and wing aircraft, with the wing sitting low.
In fact, in some types, that's how you pick the vertical spacing in close line astern. In the Pig, you're in the correct vertical position in line astern when you can just feel the "burble" of turbulence through the stick. Get too high and it gets rapidly stronger and can eventually spit you out if you're too ham fisted about it.
Same principle when tanking from a centreline boom - stay low enough to be out of the wake. get too high and the boom operator will cut you loose (due also to potential boom damage, but I won't bother with that here.)
Hope that helps.
ScottyDoo - nice wind up mate. Knucks "contributing to society"? Perhaps by pumping up sales of hair gel and raybans?
As they say - "fighter pilots make movies. Strike pilots make history"
Anyway - get over it. It's called PR, and as I'm sure you know it is about generating publicity for 1) Avalon specifically and 2) defence generally.
It IS part of the job.
Short answer is yes - there's a whole lot of "mess" coming off the vertical and horizontal stabs. The way to stay out of it is to stay below the plane (geometry term, used deliberately
) of the tail-plane!As with the wingtip vortices, the wake turb behind the fuselage / stab sinks at a relatively low rate, so you can get in behind without a problem. That's why line-astern formations always have a vertical difference between the lead and wing aircraft, with the wing sitting low.
In fact, in some types, that's how you pick the vertical spacing in close line astern. In the Pig, you're in the correct vertical position in line astern when you can just feel the "burble" of turbulence through the stick. Get too high and it gets rapidly stronger and can eventually spit you out if you're too ham fisted about it.
Same principle when tanking from a centreline boom - stay low enough to be out of the wake. get too high and the boom operator will cut you loose (due also to potential boom damage, but I won't bother with that here.)
Hope that helps.
ScottyDoo - nice wind up mate. Knucks "contributing to society"? Perhaps by pumping up sales of hair gel and raybans?
As they say - "fighter pilots make movies. Strike pilots make history"
Anyway - get over it. It's called PR, and as I'm sure you know it is about generating publicity for 1) Avalon specifically and 2) defence generally.
It IS part of the job.
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
the vortices that have a significant effect on the trailing aircraft would be proportional to the size/area of the wing?
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"I still maintain these elitist knucks should spend less time burning kero carelessly for no reason other than the pure, unabounded joy of it and more time contributing somehow to our society.
We can only hope he has some really ****ty secondary duties..."
ScottyDoo,
I wouldn't think that tooling around at half pace in close formation with a herc is one of the more 'joy'-ful things you could do in a hornet.
Sounds either like a good windup or you've got a big chip on your shoulder. Did some mean-spirited knuck roll in on a girl you were trying to impress one time? At band camp. Please do tell.
We can only hope he has some really ****ty secondary duties..."
ScottyDoo,
I wouldn't think that tooling around at half pace in close formation with a herc is one of the more 'joy'-ful things you could do in a hornet.
Sounds either like a good windup or you've got a big chip on your shoulder. Did some mean-spirited knuck roll in on a girl you were trying to impress one time? At band camp. Please do tell.
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Si senor. You obviously don't get irony in meh-hico, eh gringo?
It's called irony. I could disassemble it in an attempt to explain to you how I say one thing when really I mean another but by then the moment has probably passed.
Rest assured, I have no problem with knucks in Hornets burning kero or "doing" aeros or wasting hours or pulling their puds.
Better the money is spent on something satisfying like that than frittered away on an orphange or the like...
It's called irony. I could disassemble it in an attempt to explain to you how I say one thing when really I mean another but by then the moment has probably passed.
Rest assured, I have no problem with knucks in Hornets burning kero or "doing" aeros or wasting hours or pulling their puds.
Better the money is spent on something satisfying like that than frittered away on an orphange or the like...
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ScottyDoo,
Thanks for the impromptu grammar lesson. A convenient tool when one is not sufficiently informed to have an actual opinion either way. Great example.
Given you find it appropriate to change my quote to reflect your personal experience, please share the rest of the story with us so that we might all avoid the humiliation of having some knuck walk out of a bar, up to his second knuckle in some girl you thought you had a chance with 3 minutes earlier.
Thanks for the impromptu grammar lesson. A convenient tool when one is not sufficiently informed to have an actual opinion either way. Great example.
Given you find it appropriate to change my quote to reflect your personal experience, please share the rest of the story with us so that we might all avoid the humiliation of having some knuck walk out of a bar, up to his second knuckle in some girl you thought you had a chance with 3 minutes earlier.
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Scotty, An honest question in order to how much weight to give your posts. What are your aviation credentials, the profile is a little slim on specifics.
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Sorry senor, that was a phrase I picked up in the RAAF. I thought I was talking to a fellow and you might notice it but I guess not.
Note to self: Use the wink-smiley next time you want to make a friendly jibe at the RAAF....
Note to self: Use the wink-smiley next time you want to make a friendly jibe at the RAAF....
