C402/C404 Endorsement?
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Howdy all,
Having problems getting an endorsement on the 402 in Sydney, besides Melbourne does any one know any where else in OZ where I can get a 402/04 endorsement.
Rgds,
el_capitano
Having problems getting an endorsement on the 402 in Sydney, besides Melbourne does any one know any where else in OZ where I can get a 402/04 endorsement.
Rgds,
el_capitano
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C402/421 Class
Yeah it's listed in my logbook as C402/421 Class, issued by a CASA FOI.
The question is though, should they be under the one sticker, because frankly, to go from a C402A or B model into a C404 or 421 (or vice versa) with no prior experience on type is like going from a Duchess into a Baron, I reckon, and they of course have seperate endorsements.
C310/402A&B and C402C/404 endorsements would have made more sense in my mind.
520.
The question is though, should they be under the one sticker, because frankly, to go from a C402A or B model into a C404 or 421 (or vice versa) with no prior experience on type is like going from a Duchess into a Baron, I reckon, and they of course have seperate endorsements.
C310/402A&B and C402C/404 endorsements would have made more sense in my mind.
520.
Now that's interesting!
My old DCA licence says C401/411.
My new CASA licence says C402/421.
I think it actually covers all the C400 series but you need the presurisation endorsement for the 414 and 421.
Dr
My old DCA licence says C401/411.
My new CASA licence says C402/421.
I think it actually covers all the C400 series but you need the presurisation endorsement for the 414 and 421.
Dr
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The 401/411 does let you fly the 404. Was bit of an eye opener when I was told that, but the move from the 401 to the 404 was quite easy - stacks more power and the roar - awesome. Watch out for mis-firing tho - the gearing hates it 
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That's interesting...I used to have endorsement approvals for 402 and 404...and they were considered different types...in PNG at least...and in those days they just copied Aus.
To group 402 and 404 together is actually a bit silly...but then who would let you fly one only on the basis of the other...particularly 402->404. Very different engines...treat a 404 like a 402 and make very expensive noises.
To group 402 and 404 together is actually a bit silly...but then who would let you fly one only on the basis of the other...particularly 402->404. Very different engines...treat a 404 like a 402 and make very expensive noises.
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'tis my understanding that the C400 series endo gives all but C404. C404 is a different endo ... but things may have changed.
Obviously need pressurisation endo to fly C414/421.
I'd suggest finding a C414 to do it in - the cheapest of the press'd ones.
It's amazing what 310hp per side will do to a well designed airframe and wing ....
Obviously need pressurisation endo to fly C414/421.
I'd suggest finding a C414 to do it in - the cheapest of the press'd ones.
It's amazing what 310hp per side will do to a well designed airframe and wing ....
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Just checked my log books, when my endorsement was initially issued around 10 years ago it was stamped 401/411, which covered 401, 402, 404, & 411 (All Models). In the intervening period my licence has been changed to read 402/421 which according to CAO 40, covers 401, 402, 404, 411, 414 & 421 (All Models).
To my knowledge the 404 has always been grouped with the other Cessna 400 models.
Cheers, HH.
To my knowledge the 404 has always been grouped with the other Cessna 400 models.
Cheers, HH.
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Cao 40.1.0
Refer aeroplanes included in classes CAO 40.1.0 Appendix 1B
23. C402/421
CESSNA 401 (all models)
CESSNA 402 (all models)
CESSNA 404 (TITAN) (all models)
CESSNA 411 (all models)
CESSNA 414 (all models)
CESSNA 421 (GOLDEN EAGLE) (all models)
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23. C402/421
CESSNA 401 (all models)
CESSNA 402 (all models)
CESSNA 404 (TITAN) (all models)
CESSNA 411 (all models)
CESSNA 414 (all models)
CESSNA 421 (GOLDEN EAGLE) (all models)
Disclaimer: I take no resposibility for the use of this information, the validity or currency included. Any legal ramification is the resposibility of the individual. ie check it for yourself.
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Jeez team, it's just a flamin piston twin......
As Gaunty would say, you could give the keys to any 400 piston Cessna to any reasonably competent driver without too many reservations - though whether the owners insurer would see the funny side would be a question
(actually I think Gaunty usually says something like 'my granma could drive one....')
Endorsement for a 182??
No such animal. It comes under SE(A) <5700kg with the requirement for any special design features (CSU, RG, Conventional U/C [taildragger] etc). 180 and 185 being conventional <5700kg, they only need a CSU / taildragger SDF rating.
As for where - you can get a C414 endo at CDR with QAS, gives you 402/421 + Pressurisation.
As Gaunty would say, you could give the keys to any 400 piston Cessna to any reasonably competent driver without too many reservations - though whether the owners insurer would see the funny side would be a question
(actually I think Gaunty usually says something like 'my granma could drive one....')Endorsement for a 182??
No such animal. It comes under SE(A) <5700kg with the requirement for any special design features (CSU, RG, Conventional U/C [taildragger] etc). 180 and 185 being conventional <5700kg, they only need a CSU / taildragger SDF rating.As for where - you can get a C414 endo at CDR with QAS, gives you 402/421 + Pressurisation.
"you could give the keys to any 400 piston Cessna to any reasonably competent driver without too many reservations"
Well I guess that excludes me!
After peddling a C402B around for quite a few hours, I once jumped in an older one (C401, C402 or C402A ??? - short nose and round windows) to do a ferry flight. On climb out I reached down and flicked the electric fuel pump off on the left engine - and it died. Flicked it back on and it ran normally. OK, I thought, must have a dead mechanical fuel pump. Wheeled it around and headed back to the aerodrome. Looked down and realised that I was turning the magnetos off on the left engine cause in that model they are in the same place as the fuel pumps in the C402B. Turned back around and headed off on my merry way.
The moral of the story? Look before you "flick"!
Dr
Well I guess that excludes me!
After peddling a C402B around for quite a few hours, I once jumped in an older one (C401, C402 or C402A ??? - short nose and round windows) to do a ferry flight. On climb out I reached down and flicked the electric fuel pump off on the left engine - and it died. Flicked it back on and it ran normally. OK, I thought, must have a dead mechanical fuel pump. Wheeled it around and headed back to the aerodrome. Looked down and realised that I was turning the magnetos off on the left engine cause in that model they are in the same place as the fuel pumps in the C402B. Turned back around and headed off on my merry way.
The moral of the story? Look before you "flick"!
Dr
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Cessna 421 Golden Eagle Endo
Peoples,
Does anyone know where i can get a Cessna 421 endo as well as the seperate pressurisation endo in Queensland?
Any info much appreciated.
AV8
Does anyone know where i can get a Cessna 421 endo as well as the seperate pressurisation endo in Queensland?
Any info much appreciated.
AV8
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