Anyone heard of mountain air?
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Anyone heard of mountain air?
Anyone heard of this company? They have a website www.mountainair.com.au but i'm pretty sure they are a fake. I know of a case where they rang another charter company asking if they could take a passenger as their plane had broken down. They then never paid for the service and credit card supplied didn't work. Plus their fares are suspiciously cheap.
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Extracted from ASIC's database at AEST 17:09:40 on 10/03/2007
Name MOUNTAIN AIR CHARTER SERVICES PTY LTD
ACN 123 443 747
ABN 85 123 443 747
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 14/01/2007
Next Review Date 14/01/2008
Status Registered
Locality of Registered Office Katoomba NSW 2780
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission
These are the documents that ASIC has most recently received from or in relation to this organisation. Page numbers are shown if processing is complete and the document is available for purchase.
Date Number Pages Description
14/01/2007 1E2829355 3 201C Application For Registration as a Proprietary Company
Also worth noting that a quick search on Airliners.net photo pages for the following "wgk" or "nsn" in Australia will produce some similar pics to the ones used on the website. also check the C210/206 pic.
No suggestions as to the pics being the same as airliners. You can all form your own opinions
Name MOUNTAIN AIR CHARTER SERVICES PTY LTD
ACN 123 443 747
ABN 85 123 443 747
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 14/01/2007
Next Review Date 14/01/2008
Status Registered
Locality of Registered Office Katoomba NSW 2780
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission
These are the documents that ASIC has most recently received from or in relation to this organisation. Page numbers are shown if processing is complete and the document is available for purchase.
Date Number Pages Description
14/01/2007 1E2829355 3 201C Application For Registration as a Proprietary Company
Also worth noting that a quick search on Airliners.net photo pages for the following "wgk" or "nsn" in Australia will produce some similar pics to the ones used on the website. also check the C210/206 pic.
No suggestions as to the pics being the same as airliners. You can all form your own opinions
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On their website, they don't seem to know the difference between a C-182 and a C-206/210!
More good news, Barons cruise at 235 knots and King airs at 330! Not any of the ones I have flown...
PS: I think NSN is based out at Orange.
More good news, Barons cruise at 235 knots and King airs at 330! Not any of the ones I have flown...
PS: I think NSN is based out at Orange.
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This is hilarious.
Lear http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1155504/L/
200 http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1030473/L/
Aerostar http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0435951/L/
Baron http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/pho..._baron58_l.htm
Couldn't find the 182! So what's the go here???
Lear http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1155504/L/
200 http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1030473/L/
Aerostar http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0435951/L/
Baron http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/pho..._baron58_l.htm
Couldn't find the 182! So what's the go here???
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I just rang there toll free number to ask about there service . The number goes to a message bank and then says that there is no room for your message. i think the learjet is based out of Armidale and is often flown by JJ . Im quite good freinds with the owner of that kingair so id be very interested in finding out how for real thay are.Cheers
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I suspect what they are doing is working as a booking/travel agent, not a stand alone charter company. If this is the case I could understand why they are using 'file photos'. Still something does seem a bit fishy, they are trying to look like an airline, but when you look for fares what you get is a charter quote, judging by the price, they are working on 1995 quotes.
Appear to be one and the same as Blue Mountains Aviation which has a web page at - http://www.mountainaviation.com.au/index.php so there is also a crowd called Mountain Aviation too?
CASA Register search shows no aircraft owners or aircraft operators containing the word "mountain".
CASA Register search shows no aircraft owners or aircraft operators containing the word "mountain".
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Is it not an offence to advertise services or fares without an AOC? I'm sure Torres could quote the applicable CAR!
A search of the CASA site reveals only one operator with the word "mountain", and that is a legit company in Tassie. Mountain Aviation show a Helio Courier as part of their fleet. There is only one Helio Courier currently showing on the CASA register (although I actually thought there were a couple around), and it is registered in NSW.
Mysterious indeed.
A search of the CASA site reveals only one operator with the word "mountain", and that is a legit company in Tassie. Mountain Aviation show a Helio Courier as part of their fleet. There is only one Helio Courier currently showing on the CASA register (although I actually thought there were a couple around), and it is registered in NSW.
Mysterious indeed.
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ya know i was wondering how long it would take for someone to try and start making nasty comments. Its amazing how some people think.
We have had countless conversations with CASA relating to what we are doing and someone made the correct comment about us being a booking agent. To the person saying something about a credit card, you had better get the facts straight.
Some aircraft we own and others we do not. We did not do the website, it was a website development company and we were not the source of the pictures. Having said that.... the pictures are a bit crappy and outdated as we have other aircraft now.
Mountain Aviation was the original site which is not longer in operation.
If you actually took the time to read the site it does say that "through our partners" we can arrange a flight for you.
Finally there some quite big and more established groups out there doing the same things as us. www.adagold.com.au is a good one.
Thank you all for the countless traffic you have sent to the site and im sure that all of you budding CPL's out there were to be offered a job flying some of our aircraft on some charters you would change your view about it all.
We have had countless conversations with CASA relating to what we are doing and someone made the correct comment about us being a booking agent. To the person saying something about a credit card, you had better get the facts straight.
Some aircraft we own and others we do not. We did not do the website, it was a website development company and we were not the source of the pictures. Having said that.... the pictures are a bit crappy and outdated as we have other aircraft now.
Mountain Aviation was the original site which is not longer in operation.
If you actually took the time to read the site it does say that "through our partners" we can arrange a flight for you.
Finally there some quite big and more established groups out there doing the same things as us. www.adagold.com.au is a good one.
Thank you all for the countless traffic you have sent to the site and im sure that all of you budding CPL's out there were to be offered a job flying some of our aircraft on some charters you would change your view about it all.
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I haven't, but good luck to them -- the Sydney area needs more aviation businesses and if they can offer good rates, then great.
I smell poppy-choppers in this forum, and they're no good for anything.
I smell poppy-choppers in this forum, and they're no good for anything.
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These guys could be legit and I'll double check to see if Charter company involved ever got paid. If they did then I don't want to be writing off a genuine company. If not tho then stay away if you ever get a call or ask for payment up front. Watch this space.
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Im personal friends with the owner of NSN i will find out ... also regarding us Budding CPLs then im curious that if your a BOOKING agent then how are you going to put a budding CPL in a seat . MR of Orange Aviation is not going to put a Buddying CPL holder in his B200 ( BH with 40000 TT had issues finding enough turbine time to meet insurance ) nor BW in his Citation , nor would the company of the American owned Twin , which leaves the C182/C206/ C210 .
How is it if CASA think your just a booking agent and yet to own and operate your own ACFT on Charters , Mate if this is all above board then all the very very best for you . I would just like to know how this works.
PS the Photo of NSN is not that old ...
How is it if CASA think your just a booking agent and yet to own and operate your own ACFT on Charters , Mate if this is all above board then all the very very best for you . I would just like to know how this works.
PS the Photo of NSN is not that old ...
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Thanks for clearing that up 340!
Hows business then? I have often thought about doing the same thing myself, lets face it most charter companies cross hire to some extent anyway, it is impossible to keep 20 different types on the one AOC like some advertise.
Hows business then? I have often thought about doing the same thing myself, lets face it most charter companies cross hire to some extent anyway, it is impossible to keep 20 different types on the one AOC like some advertise.
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Cessna340,
Are you saying you represent Mountain Air? If so please PM me as the charter company involved has still not been paid by you for service supplied some time ago. If I do not here from you I'll just assume my original post was spot on.
Are you saying you represent Mountain Air? If so please PM me as the charter company involved has still not been paid by you for service supplied some time ago. If I do not here from you I'll just assume my original post was spot on.
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I also know of 2 companies that have done charter work for this company and they havent been paid yet!
They are also having trouble trying to contact these people.
We dont need these types in the industry.
otter
They are also having trouble trying to contact these people.
We dont need these types in the industry.
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Not Good
Working for a charter operator some time ago, we used to pass work on to other guys and act as a "booking agent" if we didnt have the capability or aircraft avalability. Worked well, and the favour was always returned.
Still i do a bit of organising charters for friends and other people i know. I always pay cash up front. helps the cash flow of the operator and the guys usualy give you a bit of a discount for prompt payment, which i dont expect or ask for.
Whats more in the future if you need a flight compleated on an "Account Basis" they are more than willing to help.
I am suprised though the number of operators that dont require any kind of payment upfront. Times are hard and they want the hours in the air, but one or two bad payers can make the difference to being able to keep the company viable.
I think everyone involved has to be careful, just use some good old sound business practice, and some common sense.
Still i do a bit of organising charters for friends and other people i know. I always pay cash up front. helps the cash flow of the operator and the guys usualy give you a bit of a discount for prompt payment, which i dont expect or ask for.
Whats more in the future if you need a flight compleated on an "Account Basis" they are more than willing to help.
I am suprised though the number of operators that dont require any kind of payment upfront. Times are hard and they want the hours in the air, but one or two bad payers can make the difference to being able to keep the company viable.
I think everyone involved has to be careful, just use some good old sound business practice, and some common sense.