The Rape Of Jandakot Bushland
where are all our pollies,
surely this could become a bit of an election issue in this current 'climate change'/'Global warming' era.
Surely one of the politcal parties could use this as ammo against the other or visa versa. At least that could get it into the media
I agree with all the above posts, it is a shame what some people will do for money - sometimes we have to look at the bigger picture.
surely this could become a bit of an election issue in this current 'climate change'/'Global warming' era.
Surely one of the politcal parties could use this as ammo against the other or visa versa. At least that could get it into the media
I agree with all the above posts, it is a shame what some people will do for money - sometimes we have to look at the bigger picture.
How naive is Mr Furguson...The burden is passed on to the airport users; I doubt a cent of Ascot's profits from this development will go towards aviation infrastructure, they have been around for over a year and the place is in the worst state of repair I have ever seen it.
Grandpa Aerotart
Not naive....disshonest or stupid yes, but not naive.
The only benefits of privatisation of essential infrastructure is a one off windfall to Govt and profits for private enterprises that have no motivation to improve infrastructure. It is manifestly self evident that there has never been an airport sold to a company whose interests were in aviation...they are always sold to land developers or companies like Macbank. Privatised monopolies should never be allowed in an economy as they impose an unfair cost on users....and yet we see increasing privatisation of public monopolies with abundantly predictable outcomes and the feckless morons who run the country have the unmittigated gaul to stand up and state, straight faced, that it is good.
Even Ferguson admits it is essential infrastructure.
What stops the Govt from running something like an airport?
Well they will tell you it's more 'efficient' for private enterprise to do it because the public service is innefficient. Thus we have people who couldn't run a milkbar profitably running a country. The big difference between running a small business and running a country is it is near impossible to go broke because you simply raise prices (Tax) to cover your feckups...impossible in a small business.
Of course if you don't privatise things that were Govt entities then you have nowhere to go after you are voted out of office..well nowhere to go where you can be payed what you think you're entitled to...as opposed to what you're worth.
The only benefits of privatisation of essential infrastructure is a one off windfall to Govt and profits for private enterprises that have no motivation to improve infrastructure. It is manifestly self evident that there has never been an airport sold to a company whose interests were in aviation...they are always sold to land developers or companies like Macbank. Privatised monopolies should never be allowed in an economy as they impose an unfair cost on users....and yet we see increasing privatisation of public monopolies with abundantly predictable outcomes and the feckless morons who run the country have the unmittigated gaul to stand up and state, straight faced, that it is good.
Even Ferguson admits it is essential infrastructure.
What stops the Govt from running something like an airport?
Well they will tell you it's more 'efficient' for private enterprise to do it because the public service is innefficient. Thus we have people who couldn't run a milkbar profitably running a country. The big difference between running a small business and running a country is it is near impossible to go broke because you simply raise prices (Tax) to cover your feckups...impossible in a small business.
Of course if you don't privatise things that were Govt entities then you have nowhere to go after you are voted out of office..well nowhere to go where you can be payed what you think you're entitled to...as opposed to what you're worth.
The pollies are in dreamland if they believe a for-profit company will take the profit from one successful development venture and plough it back into (a.k.a subsidise) another 'investment' that will not produce the 'required' returns.
Jandakot as an airport will not recieve any investment from JAH that doesn't have a pay-back period measured in milliseconds. To think otherwise is a spectacular delusion.
Such is privatisation...
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Jandakot as an airport will not recieve any investment from JAH that doesn't have a pay-back period measured in milliseconds. To think otherwise is a spectacular delusion.
Such is privatisation...
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Grandpa Aerotart
Precisely why airports should not be privatised...or any other monopoly infrastructure....not everything in society should be valued only by the % return to, in this case, a bunch of Yarpies.
As someone posted above...we now live in an economy rather than a society...never a truer, or sadder word, was writ.
As someone posted above...we now live in an economy rather than a society...never a truer, or sadder word, was writ.
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Apart from their obligations under the Airports Act, which they seem to be paying little heed to, who is making sure that JAH is sowing their profits back into Jandakot airport facilities?
The government seemed extremely reluctant to act on behalf of the users of Jandakot when the relocation proposal was being bandied around as a fait accompli. What are they doing to ensure that JAH address their obligations? Where is the new runway that has been in the masterplan for years? In what way are JAH maintaining/upgrading the facilities at Jandakot?
Did Ascot Capital even read the masterplan before they signed it, when they bought out JAH and ended up with the airport lease by default (bypassing the usual processes associated with companies who bid for the lease of an airport)?
These people need a swift kick in the ersa, and an eviction notice, if they are unwilling to do what they are legislated to do.
The government seemed extremely reluctant to act on behalf of the users of Jandakot when the relocation proposal was being bandied around as a fait accompli. What are they doing to ensure that JAH address their obligations? Where is the new runway that has been in the masterplan for years? In what way are JAH maintaining/upgrading the facilities at Jandakot?
Did Ascot Capital even read the masterplan before they signed it, when they bought out JAH and ended up with the airport lease by default (bypassing the usual processes associated with companies who bid for the lease of an airport)?
These people need a swift kick in the ersa, and an eviction notice, if they are unwilling to do what they are legislated to do.
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Not content with "raping the bushland" the big machines have now dug up the mains power cable into the airport and there has been no electricity for the last 27 hours....it took the airport officials several hours to take the trouble to tell the tenants what was going on, and that we would have the power back on last night which was not the case.
Surely a clear case of negligence which makes Jandakot Airport Holdings liable for losses caused by them or thier employees (do the earthmoving contractors come under emplopyees?) according to my lease.
I can get by with my little generator, but the losses and inconvenience for some must be enormous.
Surely a clear case of negligence which makes Jandakot Airport Holdings liable for losses caused by them or thier employees (do the earthmoving contractors come under emplopyees?) according to my lease.
I can get by with my little generator, but the losses and inconvenience for some must be enormous.
"Dial before you Dig"
Obviously not a term familiar to this lot.
Word around at the moment is that ASCOT are still sniffing around Mandurah way looking for investors and trying to hoodwink the locals into the belief that there will be jobs galore for the locals if a new airport is built.
Obviously not a term familiar to this lot.
Word around at the moment is that ASCOT are still sniffing around Mandurah way looking for investors and trying to hoodwink the locals into the belief that there will be jobs galore for the locals if a new airport is built.
Just out of curiosity, would you all be complaining if that land was being cleared to expand the airport, or build a new airport at some other location?
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Save Jandakot??
Well congatulations West aussy,s.
The dentist has hit a nerve.
Before you go off on ur rant.I agree.
You see it,s not only the pretty boy 200 hour pilot,s that work in JPT.
It,s the engineering @ parts infrastrure that service the whole of westren Australia!!.How,s Craig Or Kerry in Kununurra going to find an i0550 gogo mobile part .???
Or likewise his counterparts or partners in crime, throughtout Derby/Broome/Fitxroy/Port Hedland/Karratha/Newman/Meekathara/Carnarvon/Kalgoolie/Geraldton/Exmouth/Kalbarri/Coral Bay/Margaret River/Albany/Esperance/.
Just a couple of examples for a few narrow minded pollies who think housing esates are a REALLY GOOD idea??.
We are far and wide throughout WA.
MR.Martin Fergusion.Ignorant.
Quote- The rapid Growth In in Non Aviational Developement IS NEEDED? FOR FUTURE EXPANSION??
Who,s employing this idiot.WE ARE!!!!.Rethink your choices!!
Well Guy,s and girls mister Fergusion must have bought his shares cheap!!.
OR perhap,s he caught the West Australian Real Estate Boom a little too soon??
Long live YPJT
M
The dentist has hit a nerve.
Before you go off on ur rant.I agree.
You see it,s not only the pretty boy 200 hour pilot,s that work in JPT.
It,s the engineering @ parts infrastrure that service the whole of westren Australia!!.How,s Craig Or Kerry in Kununurra going to find an i0550 gogo mobile part .???
Or likewise his counterparts or partners in crime, throughtout Derby/Broome/Fitxroy/Port Hedland/Karratha/Newman/Meekathara/Carnarvon/Kalgoolie/Geraldton/Exmouth/Kalbarri/Coral Bay/Margaret River/Albany/Esperance/.
Just a couple of examples for a few narrow minded pollies who think housing esates are a REALLY GOOD idea??.
We are far and wide throughout WA.
MR.Martin Fergusion.Ignorant.
Quote- The rapid Growth In in Non Aviational Developement IS NEEDED? FOR FUTURE EXPANSION??
Who,s employing this idiot.WE ARE!!!!.Rethink your choices!!
Well Guy,s and girls mister Fergusion must have bought his shares cheap!!.
OR perhap,s he caught the West Australian Real Estate Boom a little too soon??
Long live YPJT
M
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Peter, Your comments are way out of place. You have no idea what operators at Jandakot have gone through to keep their airport and their businesses! I suggest you read further into this before making further comments!
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Word around at the moment is that ASCOT are still sniffing around Mandurah way looking for investors and trying to hoodwink the locals into the belief that there will be jobs galore for the locals if a new airport is built.
They want to build another one?
And there lies the problem, Peter. When we wanted a fourth runway, JAH refused on "environmental grounds". That is, they didn't want to clear any bush...they must have now cleared what, 5x more bush than what was needed for a 4th runway?! The power outage was just icing.
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Peter, part of Jandakot's charm was the feeling of isolation from City and Suburbia, from the ground at least. The last few km's from the railway crossing to the cattle grid used to be surrounded by Banksia bushland. The "Developers on the hill" have taken care of that.
It should have been left alone. It was an effective buffer between the airport and nearby suburbs and was home to many native critters, including the chalet numbats.
It should have been left alone. It was an effective buffer between the airport and nearby suburbs and was home to many native critters, including the chalet numbats.
