What does ATC do that 'irks' you?
Figure of speech (albeit a mis-spelt one) my dear Peuce, figure of speech; as in:
"[n] a person's breast or chest"
rather than
"[n] either of two soft fleshy milk-secreting glandular organs on the chest of a woman"
To what part of my anatomy would you suggest I clutch something to, should I feel a need to do so again?
Dr
PS: Do I assume from your post that pilot's shirts do not have breast pockets?
"[n] a person's breast or chest"
rather than
"[n] either of two soft fleshy milk-secreting glandular organs on the chest of a woman"
To what part of my anatomy would you suggest I clutch something to, should I feel a need to do so again?
Dr
PS: Do I assume from your post that pilot's shirts do not have breast pockets?
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Yes, I realise I could have refused the clearance, but I would argue that they should not have given it to me in the first place.
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ERSA GEN-FPR-6...
Cairns Arrivals - Arriving from South East
From TL or o/TL RNAV: PEWEE-BARIA-UPOLO-CS
non-RNAV: BARIA-CS (expect Radar Vectors)
All other routes: On Track
Their is no 'single' caveat on that page. The Bris controller gave the correct route as published. If the published procedure is not satisfactory plan via BIB.
Dunno if it has been mentioned but...
"Alpha Bravo Charlie remain outside controlled area, standby I call you back."
The old Hong Kong approach into Perth.
I've been told to "standby" so do I not reply? 
"Alpha Bravo Charlie remain outside controlled area, standby I call you back."
The old Hong Kong approach into Perth.
I've been told to "standby" so do I not reply?
Thanks for all the posts - really interesting.
TC
Not bothered about being over land the whole way cause I generally go up at 10k, just get a bit edgy about being 20 mile off the coast.
I'm back to YBCS next week. Intend to plan TL-SPARO-UPOLO-CS, and see what happens.
Dr
TC
Not bothered about being over land the whole way cause I generally go up at 10k, just get a bit edgy about being 20 mile off the coast.
I'm back to YBCS next week. Intend to plan TL-SPARO-UPOLO-CS, and see what happens.
Dr
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Try TL-UPO-CS if you get cleared via BARIA due compliance with GEN-FPR-6, tell them your 'overwater' story and request direct UPO. If still no, ask for TL-BIB-CS.
If its the arvo CS may be on RWY33 if the seabreeze is in so it'll be straight in.
"Life is like a box of chocolates"
If its the arvo CS may be on RWY33 if the seabreeze is in so it'll be straight in.
"Life is like a box of chocolates"
FTDK,
TL SPARO UPOLO CS is fine for singles as far as CS APP are concerned. However, SPARO TL is the inbound route to TL, so the RAAFies may not like it. If they send you to PEWEE, tell them you want dct SPARO asap due being single engine - pretty hard to refuse that request.
That Dash8 you ended up following for left base the other day was supposed to be a long way in front - you surprised a few of us with that turn of speed.
Anytime you have a problem into CS, give Approach a ring, we're only too happy to listen. We occasionally have a reason why things were done a certain way - sometimes ****s are trumps
Cheers,
topdrop
TL SPARO UPOLO CS is fine for singles as far as CS APP are concerned. However, SPARO TL is the inbound route to TL, so the RAAFies may not like it. If they send you to PEWEE, tell them you want dct SPARO asap due being single engine - pretty hard to refuse that request.
That Dash8 you ended up following for left base the other day was supposed to be a long way in front - you surprised a few of us with that turn of speed.
Anytime you have a problem into CS, give Approach a ring, we're only too happy to listen. We occasionally have a reason why things were done a certain way - sometimes ****s are trumps
Cheers,
topdrop
Thanx for the info TopDrop.
According to the GPS I topped out at 209 kts. Wasn't really trying - indicating 160 kts - top of the green arc.
Was going to make a smart arse remark about having to slow down for the slower traffic preceding. Had something similar happen with a 737 into TL last year. Had to slow down to let the big fella go first!
Dr
According to the GPS I topped out at 209 kts. Wasn't really trying - indicating 160 kts - top of the green arc.
Was going to make a smart arse remark about having to slow down for the slower traffic preceding. Had something similar happen with a 737 into TL last year. Had to slow down to let the big fella go first!
Dr
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I heard that, was gonna ask if he was a real doctor and could do airways consultaion. Last time I went to a doctor I got my nose sliced to pieces and charged my entire savings for the privalge.
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Time for a new beef:
Why is it on climb-out from capital city airports - definitely YMML and YSSY and I'm pretty sure it happens at others too - DEP always call at 10,000ft to transfer to Centre?
As you know, 10,000ft is the Transition Alt. A procedure takes place there as well as (in many cases) a checklist. Like the Park Brake indicator light, ATC seem to know just when you're going to call for a checklist or to re-set the altimeters. ie 10,000ft.
Seems to happen at FL110 descending too...
Why is it on climb-out from capital city airports - definitely YMML and YSSY and I'm pretty sure it happens at others too - DEP always call at 10,000ft to transfer to Centre?
As you know, 10,000ft is the Transition Alt. A procedure takes place there as well as (in many cases) a checklist. Like the Park Brake indicator light, ATC seem to know just when you're going to call for a checklist or to re-set the altimeters. ie 10,000ft.
Seems to happen at FL110 descending too...
So why can't the frequency change instruction be along the lines of,
"XYZ Approaching 9000' call centre on 125.0" ,
and let the drivers do it when they're not busy?
Regards,
BH.
"XYZ Approaching 9000' call centre on 125.0" ,
and let the drivers do it when they're not busy?
Regards,
BH.
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Interesting calls result also.
"...passing, um, FL103, climbing FL200."
Then the next one...
"...passing, um, one zero thousand three hundred, climbing FL200."
Depending how you read the document, either call is right. We should do it like the Septics.
Most ATC aren't all that flexible with the time we get you to call because of the nature of the software we use. This is anorak stuff, but I'll persevere. Stop reading if your eyes glaze over.
The mechanicals are that when I don't want to talk to you anymore I press a button which makes your radar symbol flash on the next sector's screen. It keeps flashing until they push a button to 'accept' it, it is now 'their' aircraft. When they press accept your symbol flashes on my screen to tell me to tell you to call the next sector. It only flashes for a few seconds then changes to the 'somebody-else's-aeroplane' color - i.e. disappears...
If I notice you are approaching the transition altitude/level and decide to delay the transfer a likely result is you never get it until you start grizzling for more climb/descent or the next sector starts whining that you haven't called.
This is called progress.
My pet hate when flying?
A frequency transfer when leveling off. Both my hands and my brain is busy and I don't trust my memory when distracted. I try to avoid it when Air Trafficking also.
"...passing, um, FL103, climbing FL200."
Then the next one...
"...passing, um, one zero thousand three hundred, climbing FL200."
Depending how you read the document, either call is right. We should do it like the Septics.
Most ATC aren't all that flexible with the time we get you to call because of the nature of the software we use. This is anorak stuff, but I'll persevere. Stop reading if your eyes glaze over.
The mechanicals are that when I don't want to talk to you anymore I press a button which makes your radar symbol flash on the next sector's screen. It keeps flashing until they push a button to 'accept' it, it is now 'their' aircraft. When they press accept your symbol flashes on my screen to tell me to tell you to call the next sector. It only flashes for a few seconds then changes to the 'somebody-else's-aeroplane' color - i.e. disappears...
If I notice you are approaching the transition altitude/level and decide to delay the transfer a likely result is you never get it until you start grizzling for more climb/descent or the next sector starts whining that you haven't called.
This is called progress.
My pet hate when flying?
A frequency transfer when leveling off. Both my hands and my brain is busy and I don't trust my memory when distracted. I try to avoid it when Air Trafficking also.
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Thanks for the explanation on the handover process!
From memory, I think we are usually cleared pretty much all the way to high 20s, at least, by the time we reach 10,000ft.
Could the flashing-symbol business not be carried out above FL115 or so?
At ten-grand there is for some types a checklist to be carried out and for all types a bit of to and fro with pilot-**** ref setting and cross-checking 1013mb on the altimeters.
From memory, I think we are usually cleared pretty much all the way to high 20s, at least, by the time we reach 10,000ft.
Could the flashing-symbol business not be carried out above FL115 or so?
At ten-grand there is for some types a checklist to be carried out and for all types a bit of to and fro with pilot-**** ref setting and cross-checking 1013mb on the altimeters.