Wikiposts
Search
The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Instructors Leave MB School

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 26th Jan 2007, 12:05
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Cockatoo Australia
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Instructors Leave MB School

Taxiway talk is that four senior instructors have left a certain Moorabbin flying school in the last few weeks. What's going on there? They were one of the best training schools on the field; I flew with them myself for a couple of years.
If it's all true it's just all so sad.
Walrus
Walrus 7 is offline  
Old 26th Jan 2007, 12:14
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wherever the job takes me...
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That's life. Eventually everyone moves on. Aviation has and always will be a nomadic industry, whether it be because of the sniff of a better gig somewhere else, discontent with one's present circumstances or whatever...
The Bunglerat is offline  
Old 26th Jan 2007, 12:30
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Cockatoo Australia
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Bungle,

Yes, it happens. Young instructors with turbines in their eyes follow the logical path north. We live with it; it's part of this industry. But to lose four senior career instructors within weeks and all went to the same place ... that's not natural attrition, that's a walk out!
Walrus
Walrus 7 is offline  
Old 26th Jan 2007, 19:40
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wherever the job takes me...
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Walrus 7
... that's not natural attrition, that's a walk out!
Walrus
Indeed.

All it takes is a change of ownership/management to destroy whatever good will may have once existed in said workplace.

I'm generalising at this point (as I don't know the instructors involved), however it ain't the first time something like this has happened in aviation. Having spent nearly ten years in the corporate sector prior to embarking on a full-time aviation career, I was (and continue to be) dumbfounded that so many aviation employers fail to appreciate one of the most simple rules of business: Treat your employees with respect and professional courtesy - and they will give the same back. Treat your staff like crap - and the opposite is also true. In other words, I'd walk over hot coals for my boss if I knew that he respected and appreciated the contribution I make to the organisation. I'd even go so far to say that such issues rate higher than remuneration (assuming the pay is at least sufficient to meet my needs), as the best paying job is still ultimately a lousy job if you have to endure a miserable work environment.

Of course, whilst this apparently used to be confined to GA, it seems all of aviation is poisoned these days - as you only have to read the numerous threads concerning JQ, QF and the like, to be pummelled with the frustration and animosity that so many pilots feel towards their respective employers.

When will aviation operators and airline management finally grasp the simple concept that IF YOU LOOK AFTER YOUR STAFF, THEY WILL LOOK AFTER YOU!
The Bunglerat is offline  
Old 27th Jan 2007, 03:08
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Maybe these senior instructors value the hard earned reputations that have been built up over many years, and a little bit of S--- thrown, and bad talk about the new management of this school will be sure to stick.
GABLUES is offline  
Old 27th Jan 2007, 05:40
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne
Age: 60
Posts: 952
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
More info please...

Erm,

I'm a little bit removed from MB right now (will be back mid-year).

Can anyone PM me the flight school, and/or the Instructors?

Cheers

DIVOSH!
Di_Vosh is offline  
Old 27th Jan 2007, 11:05
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Flying School.

Walrus,

You just stirring the pot, or are you going to give us a hint of the flying school concerned?
novicef is offline  
Old 28th Jan 2007, 08:04
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Cockatoo Australia
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm reluctant to name the school in case the whisper is wrong. Someone on here must know what really happened and be able to confirm or deny. That's what I was hoping for by starting this thread.

Walrus
Walrus 7 is offline  
Old 28th Jan 2007, 12:12
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wouldn't be a school with shiny new Cessna's by chance?
Soulman is offline  
Old 28th Jan 2007, 21:16
  #10 (permalink)  
Sprucegoose
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hughes Point, where life is great! Was also resident on page 13, but now I'm lost in Cyberspace....
Age: 59
Posts: 3,485
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Is it a Good Flying School?
Howard Hughes is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 02:02
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I heartily agree with bunglerat. If said boss would treat said instructors with the respect they all deserve, maybe said instructors may stay a little longer. But when the industry is moving at such a rapid pace right now, why not take ones expertise away and advance their own career? Achieve their own personal goals and not that of their students?

Having been an instructor myself, it is great to see your students progress and achieve their licences and move on. But one can only do this for so long, before your own career urges you to move on also.

Quite frankly I wish all the guys in question the very best for their futures.

yay!
PS2A_yay! is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 02:02
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 329
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Howard Hughes
Is it a Good Flying School?
Having done training there..........

Are the instructors good? Yep
Is the CFI good? Yep

Apart from that.....well the owner needs a good smack in the chops.
goodonyamate is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 04:21
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Aus
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Rumour denied and false

If you are talking about the school that many of you tip toe around to avoid mentioning its name, I can assure you it had nothing to do with employee discontent or bad conditions. The instructors have been offered a new job (partly because of the school's connections) and are ready to move on to something bigger and better.
c172aus is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 09:07
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Somewhere on the Australian Coast
Posts: 1,091
Received 164 Likes on 36 Posts
Where did they go out of interest??

I know one guy was looking at heading up to China or was it several in the end?
DirectAnywhere is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 10:15
  #15 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Cockatoo Australia
Posts: 234
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I can categorically state that this thread has nothing to do with 'Good Flying School.'

Walrus
Walrus 7 is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 13:04
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: BrisVegas
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I know SFC in JDK is employing a few guys from MB, starting within the next four weeks.
JimmyReeves is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 22:11
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Perth
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Walrus 7
I can categorically state that this thread has nothing to do with 'Good Flying School.'
Walrus
If you're not going to name the school then this thread is a complete waste of time.
VH DSJ is offline  
Old 29th Jan 2007, 22:50
  #18 (permalink)  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 1996
Location: Utopia
Posts: 7,440
Received 222 Likes on 119 Posts
tail wheel is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.