18 week Fast Track CPL course
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but how long ago had these particular 'struggling' pilots that you referred to flown a 172 when you personally had to land for them?
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Mesopause, Yeah, sorry about that. I probably had something more important on my mind at the time.
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Crikey! 3 months is really moving along, well good luck chap!
I would have thought if you spread the training out a little bit, it will set the tone for what the fresh CPL holder is to expect over the immediate couple or 3 years ahead.
I would have thought if you spread the training out a little bit, it will set the tone for what the fresh CPL holder is to expect over the immediate couple or 3 years ahead.
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I will confirm the course is at RACWA and their flying instructors teach the student. One guy has gone through so far and upon completion of his MECIR on RACWA's PN68 he was offered a job by Skippers, as the owner of fast track is an ex airline pilot and has great contacts.
The guy that went through was only about 20 but will be in the same boat as most QF cadets in that he wont have 500 hours command and as such will be unable to get a command unless he goes back into GA and flogs around in a 172 doing scenics and if you have been in RPT then jump back into lower GA it would kind of feel below you in a way.
I have heard of plenty of guys in the same situation with 70 hours command and 1000 hours turbine RPT trying to get a gig on a PA31 to be told noway!!
Good on him anyway he is a good bloke and im sure will go far in the industry. Wish i had the same break myself at his stage in his training!
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The guy that went through was only about 20 but will be in the same boat as most QF cadets in that he wont have 500 hours command and as such will be unable to get a command unless he goes back into GA and flogs around in a 172 doing scenics and if you have been in RPT then jump back into lower GA it would kind of feel below you in a way.
I have heard of plenty of guys in the same situation with 70 hours command and 1000 hours turbine RPT trying to get a gig on a PA31 to be told noway!!
Good on him anyway he is a good bloke and im sure will go far in the industry. Wish i had the same break myself at his stage in his training!
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Agreed!, Good on him....... and anyone else that gets the break. I would think it would be contact situation rather than run of the mill job application that would get them employed though.
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Commands for young players
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I believe things have changed now. I heard the pilot you referred to was given a command endorsement on the metro and can therefore log ICUS flying hours when he is the flying pilot. I believe the arrangement now for him and other FO's to get a command is they need a total of 250 hours command made up of 150 ICUS and 100 hours PIC to become a captain. The key is candidates are now given a command rating on the aircraft and this has changed everything. The skies the limit for this young bloke!!!!
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I believe things have changed now. I heard the pilot you referred to was given a command endorsement on the metro and can therefore log ICUS flying hours when he is the flying pilot. I believe the arrangement now for him and other FO's to get a command is they need a total of 250 hours command made up of 150 ICUS and 100 hours PIC to become a captain. The key is candidates are now given a command rating on the aircraft and this has changed everything. The skies the limit for this young bloke!!!!
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My Dad would like to know how much this course costs.
Is it correct that it is run by the same people who a while back were flogging CD based theory training.
Is it correct that it is run by the same people who a while back were flogging CD based theory training.
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New trend ?
I hope this is a new trend. A situation where trainees have a definite job to go to (provided they qualify), before they start training, and they go dorectly there. That way you get one pilot for every one job. Not ten or twenty of them fighting for it for years, with lots of stress and nastiness in the industry.
Fighting for jobs they do not want, but have to get.
Fighting for jobs they do not want, but have to get.
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Hey guys, i`m now one week into the fast Track course and it`s freakin`awesome. The theory is hard work, but the flying makes it really enjoyable especially when you can go up 2 or 3 times in a day to practise what you just studied. 
Solocmv, the ADF people don't get a CPL equivalent in 23 weeks.
If they pass their full wings course (eg RAAF getting through Tamworth and then PC-9 training at Pearce) they are eligible for a PPL. When (and if) they subsequently pass their first operational conversion course, they are deemed to have completed training equivalent to a CPL - probably 18 months from the street at that point, at a minimum.
If they pass their full wings course (eg RAAF getting through Tamworth and then PC-9 training at Pearce) they are eligible for a PPL. When (and if) they subsequently pass their first operational conversion course, they are deemed to have completed training equivalent to a CPL - probably 18 months from the street at that point, at a minimum.
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Arm out the window,
In 18 months they are flying either a F18, F111, PC3, C130, or something along those lines after their operational conversion course.
Also in that 18 months, they do a lot of RAAF military type training that us mere mortals never do. You know, shoot guns, learn how to drill, discover what you can and can't say to a Warrant Officer, etc.
After their OCU training, they can find themselves in some not so friendly places as well.
So 18 months in the RAAF is a lot different to 18 months flying training.
In 18 months they are flying either a F18, F111, PC3, C130, or something along those lines after their operational conversion course.
Also in that 18 months, they do a lot of RAAF military type training that us mere mortals never do. You know, shoot guns, learn how to drill, discover what you can and can't say to a Warrant Officer, etc.
After their OCU training, they can find themselves in some not so friendly places as well.
So 18 months in the RAAF is a lot different to 18 months flying training.
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Add another year or so to that...
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Officer Training (where they do all the shooting, talking to Warrant Officers etc) is 6 months.
Tamworth is another 6 months
Pearce is around 1 year
And I'm not sure about OCU training.
So, IF those courses run back to back, you've got around 2 1/2 years. More likely 3 years.
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Officer Training (where they do all the shooting, talking to Warrant Officers etc) is 6 months.
Tamworth is another 6 months
Pearce is around 1 year
And I'm not sure about OCU training.
So, IF those courses run back to back, you've got around 2 1/2 years. More likely 3 years.
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Maybe not. Maybe the trainee that flies everyday reaches a higher stsndard quicker and is able to maintain that standard throughout his/her training rather than needing retraining to come up to speed after 8 weeks in theory class - Food for thought
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Huh??
Mesopause, how did you infer that?
I was just pointing out to Dirty Pierre that it takes longer than 18 months in the RAAF to do all that flying, shooting, talking to Warrant Officers, etc.
I was just pointing out to Dirty Pierre that it takes longer than 18 months in the RAAF to do all that flying, shooting, talking to Warrant Officers, etc.
Not sure where you're getting your info from, Dirty Pierre.
I'm quite familiar with the defence flying world, and while it could be argued that graduation from Pearce would be enough to cover the requirements of a CPL, the civil regs are written such that a military person is deemed to have completed flying training to a CPL standard (allowing for an automatic issue of same) at the end of an operational conversion, which would take at least 18 months but in some cases much longer.
I'm not looking to draw qualitative comparisons between the two different training paths, just saying that the Tamworth bit's only the start.
I'm quite familiar with the defence flying world, and while it could be argued that graduation from Pearce would be enough to cover the requirements of a CPL, the civil regs are written such that a military person is deemed to have completed flying training to a CPL standard (allowing for an automatic issue of same) at the end of an operational conversion, which would take at least 18 months but in some cases much longer.
I'm not looking to draw qualitative comparisons between the two different training paths, just saying that the Tamworth bit's only the start.
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The point I was trying to make is that there is a lot more to being a military pilot (and therefore the training required) than the actual flying training. Consequently, the training program is much longer than that for a civilian pilot.
BTW, when I was in the RAAF, my officer training course at Pt. Cook was only 10 weeks long. But of course things have changed since this little black duck left the RAAF. The scruby subby (Binny) hanging around Willy when I was there is now an Air Vice Marshall!
BTW, when I was in the RAAF, my officer training course at Pt. Cook was only 10 weeks long. But of course things have changed since this little black duck left the RAAF. The scruby subby (Binny) hanging around Willy when I was there is now an Air Vice Marshall!